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RE: Armillaria

Subject: RE: Armillaria
From: Cox, Dermot
Date: Dec 15 1999 11:47:11
UK Tree Care - http://www.oak-wood.co.uk/uktc/

Gardeners do most harm to themslves by the simple expedient of "tidying up"
most seam to have a manic desire to remove deadwood and rotting leaf mould
form the garden - removing the habitat for the competing fungi... and bingo
they suffer!  


-----Original Message-----
From: David Evans [SMTP:arborcentre@xxxxxx.msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 9:35 AM
To:   'UK Tree Care'
Subject:      RE: Armillaria

UK Tree Care - http://www.oak-wood.co.uk/uktc/

For arguments sake:

That a tree stump becomes a seat of infection and an inoculum source as a 
consequence of a natural act, such as windthrow, would, in my opinion,
make 
little difference.  The reason being that if a tree was rendered hazardous

by partial windthrow, for example, then the owner would still be liable
for 
the endangered state of the tree, despite the cause of the hazard being a 
natural event.

In the UK, a duty of care is conveyed by The Occupiers' Liability Act
(1957 
& 1984), and a number of court cases.  This requires the owner to take 
reasonable steps to prevent, or minimise, the risk of personal injury and 
damage to property.  Failure to carry out this duty of care may render the

owner liable and consequently they could be found negligent.  Proof of 
negligence requires that it was reasonable for the owner to have foreseen 
the potential for damage, and that they could have taken a course of
action 
to prevent or minimise it.  Case law has determined that the owner may not

necessarily have the expertise to determine whether the trees they own 
 pose a risk of personal injury or damage to property, but that they would

be expected to take reasonable steps to meet their duty of care.  ie
employ 
someone with the necessary expertise.  In the Honey Fungus scenario, I
know 
of no case law that sets a precedent (hence the original posting), but if 
the stump is the source of damage to a third party's property, then there 
may be scope within this framework to pursue the matter.  Which hopefully 
would be unnecessary.  The crux is whether it was reasonably foreseeable. 
 At present this is unlikely.  However, a report from an arboriculturist 
informing the occupier of the damage that their stump is inciting, would 
make it reasonably foreseeable, and that a course of action could be 
undertaken to minimise the damage - remove the stump.

Re:  Scott Cullen's posting - Not sure what may ISP's been up to but only 
received your posting this morning.  I would be very cautious about 
attempting an ID from rhizomorph morphology.  In the UK it is certainly 
thought too uncertain a practice to identify the species of Armillaria
from 
rhizomorphs or fruiting bodies, for that matter.  Lab tests are 
comparatively straight forward and could be used to determine whether the 
species and genotype that is responsible for the damage, is compatible
with 
that colonising the stump (The Forestry Authority and Royal Horticultural 
Society at Wisley can provide this service).  Roland Fox at Reading 
University has been working on a testing kit that is supposed allow ID in 
the field - I shall try to find out how this has developed, and let you 
know.

Your point about the origin of infection of the stump is a line of 
reasoning that would be expected from the other side.  It could be that 
infection originated from the would be plaintiff's garden, infected the 
stump, only to be returned in spades (sic).  However, a stump markedly 
increases the likelihood of inoculation by spores. And would it make much 
of a difference, because it is the creation of the stump that has provided

an environment conducive to elevating the fungus' pathogenicity.  Moreover

an attempt to pursue the origin of the infection could easily degenerate 
into the realms of evolution, or the Garden of Eden, for any creationists 
out there.

Also from the other side.  Are the cultural activities of the would be 
plaintiff good practice?  It could be the case that they have predisposed 
their plants to infection by poor practices.  Keen gardeners are often
very 
adept at encouraging and spreading pests and diseases by moving and 
transplanting infected plants; importing infected material; growing plants

at the outer most range, or outside, of their tolerance; over zealous 
applications of herbicides and insecticides; and inappropriate
applications 
of fertiliser in the mistaken belief that they're feeding their plants (It

says so on the packet).  To name but a few.

Cheers

Acer ventura

-----Original Message-----
From: Dorothy Hartshorne [SMTP:arborinfo@xxxxx.com]
Sent: 14 December 1999 00:33
To:   UK Tree Care
Subject:      RE: Armillaria

UK Tree Care - http://www.oak-wood.co.uk/uktc/

Just for arguements sake....trees that break off in storms leave stumps
too although this is not as common an occurrance as the chainsaw created
type lets say that the infected stump in question was created by nature
not by man....What then?


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