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Re: Engineers.

Subject: Re: Engineers.
From: Alan Reeves
Date: Feb 19 2001 20:10:01
I hear what you say!
(Forgive me Dealga!)
In the interest of getting some dialogue going here,
I  have to say that my impression is that the UK
industry at large is not prepared to stump up nor
speak out when and where it matters (How's that PH?)
The FC is even on record as having said that  . . . .
(faced with a certain issue some few years ago) they
would expect to be GIVEN ( N O    C H A R G E !!!!) 
the necessary data and expertise by the corresponding
US Agency as opposed to investing research time (&
funding) to tackle the perceived problem.

My example is not necessarily in the same field as
yours, Scott, but as an indicator of where the UK
industry is at, and where it has been led, I feel that
we are missing a trick or two.

The silence is deafening on this side of the pond at
times!






--- Scott Cullen <dscottcul@xxxx.net> wrote: > Actually
some of the finest research has been done
in the UK.  Very little
on this side of the pond.  FC has been on this
case... R.B. Nicoll and B.A.
Gardiner are the names that come to mind.  Prof
Mayhead now at Bangor did
some of the earliest cited research at FC 1973..
following up on Fraser
circa 1962.  Prof Chris Baker (then at Nottingham)
at Birmingham turned the
focus to urban trees 1992.  Has more recent work in
the literature along
with associates.  Dr. Richard Bonser at Sisloe is
another source.  Coutts &
Grace, 1995 Wind and Trees, Cambridge Un. Press is
mostly UK work.  There
has been wind work that touched on trees at Oxford,
Surrey and Manchester as
well.

So, you've got lots of homegrown expertise and
knowledge.

The research that's been done appears to me to be
way beyond many of the
typical ISA/RT projects in terms of complexity and
funding requirements.


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Reeves <alanreevesuk@xxxxxx.co.uk>
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxxxxx.co.uk>
Date: Monday, February 19, 2001 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: Engineers.


The way I see it Scott is that every five years or
so
the industry has its opportunity to highlight
research
needs and has never, as far as I am aware made the
topic of windthrow a priority.
I was at Warwick and Keele and as far as I can make
out the research priorities  have largely been
those
that the FC/AAIS has been driving for.

The sort of research you are identifying needs
industry sponsorship.
Of course some of the research has probably been
carried out in the states, but there seems to be
some
reluctance to accept/adopt anything that is not
"homegrown".
We badly  need to break the mould and instigate
industry-sponsored research in this country if
individuals such as yourself are to have their
questions answered. How many of you are there out
there?
Would you contribute to a UK/I research fund along
the
lines of the ISA Research Trust ?


--- Scott Cullen <dscottcul@xxxx.net> wrote: > Would
like to but am not ready to.  Having
accumulated a lot of literature
what I know is how much I don't know.  Have given
some thought to research
grant proposals and quickly backed down pending a
much better understanding
of what's already in the literature.  This is
predominantly forestry
literature, BTW, with contributions from civil
engineering, hydrology and
boundary layer meteorology.  Virtually none in
the
arb-urb.for. literature.
Interestingly some of the best and most advanced
work is being done in the
UK.

I've talked to others and potential fundinf
soures
include the utilities
industry (winds put trees on wires), the disaster
preparedness and response
sectors of govt., and govt. forestry agencies. 
If
you really think about it
while there is big economic loss to cropr
forestry
from windthrow it
probably pales in comparison to urban property
damage and personal injury
claims.

I'm unsure whether the undergarduate or even
graduate arb-urb.for. colleges
are up to the research.... at least all of it. 
Some
of this is practical
application and data gathering and they'd do
well.
Some, however, is way,
way out there in sophisticated engineering and
climatology and the like.
Here too, still questions no answers.


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Reeves <alanreevesuk@xxxxxx.co.uk>
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxxxxx.co.uk>
Date: Sunday, February 18, 2001 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Engineers.


OK Scott,
In your posting there's a very important point,
which
I'd like to pick up on.

You have identified an area ie "Windthrow" which
you
feel needs to be researched from the
Arboricultural
standpoint.
Would you and others like to
a) Identify ares of research for the next five
years





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