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RE: Guess who's back, back again?

Subject: RE: Guess who's back, back again?
From: Scott-Ellis, Tim
Date: Jan 05 2004 11:47:43
Julian,

I am a little less horrified at the prospect of the RICS incorporation of
the ICF than I was initially, but only a little.  I can see a fit for
foresters in the rural faculty and perhaps aspects of our job fitting into
the environment faculty but the main issue is that we would be completely
lost as an individual voice for trees.  Subscriptions would increase
dramatically our representation would be decreased.  I am as aware as any of
the failings of the ICF, particularly with regards to arboriculture, but I
do not believe their failings should allow us to be incorporated into this
huge, international body dedicated almost entirely to construction.

I have also canvassed the opinions of a range of current RICS members and
all, even the very keen RICS members, have advised we are too small as an
industry to maintain any voice and recommended against.

I intend to go to one of the fora (again I would suggest an interesting and
useful set of places to meet, if you are involved with commercial wood
production) and listen to what they say.

I believe the better solution would be get the AA/ISA organised (I have also
spoken to the AA about this) and go for our own.  However, all this is
already there if the ICF were prepared to accept arboriculture properly, but
they have never yet quite managed this.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Forbes-Laird [mailto:treegen@xxxxx.co.uk]
Sent: 05 January 2004 10:28
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Guess who's back, back again?


Happy New Year forum,

A couple of things:

Firstly, on this Chapman case, for me the real gem from the trial
transcripts is the Judge's statement that what the local authority had
failed to do was to 'undertake systematic expert inspection, as opposed to
simply making lists of trees'. Ouch!

Anyway, the main point of this posting is a call to arms for all Chartered
arboriculturists:

By now ladies & gents you will all have heard the news that we are destined
to become Chartered Surveyors. For me, this is actually good news, and I'll
tell you why: firstly, RICS has a pretty serious pedigree and I for one am
happy to have a piece of that. Secondly, there is a very real but darned
small window of opportunity here, but we need to seize it NOW.

To elaborate: our forester friends are not likely to organise anything other
than a forestry division within the environmental section of RICS.
Personally, I would describe being a Forester Member of the Royal Institute
of Charetered Surveyors as not being quite an appropriate professional
recognition for arboriculture.

However, I firmly believe that we have the chance to lobby for this division
to be 'forestry and arboriculture' (a pure arb division seems too distant a
hope). If you are of like mind, can I ask you to do the following:

1. Let either myself or Dave Dowson know
2. Badger the AA to lobby RICS/ICF (I have made Nick Eden aware of the
situation)
3. Write to the ICF and/or attend one of their fora on the subject

Any other thoughts/better ideas on this gratefully received.

I hope 2004 goes well for all those who care for trees.

JFL.

Julian Forbes-Laird MICFor, Dip.Arb.(RFS)
Senior Consultant, CBA Trees
Registered Consultant of the Arboricultural Association




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