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Re: Old Holm Oaks

Subject: Re: Old Holm Oaks
From: David Lloyd-Jones
Date: Apr 28 2004 09:16:36
OK David

You dangled the worm on the hook so....

Having read an early version of my paper "Reduction Via Thinning" you of all 
people should know exactly why one might decide to apply this particular, 
very restrained, sensitive and even "holistic" method of size control.

Further more, having read that document you should know exactly what 
structural effects and possible benefits might accrue from the removal of 
peripheral (one might say) "dynamic" mass.

Obviously the greatest (one might say) "static" mass is contained in the 
tree's trunk and structural elements and equally obviously ANY pruning DOES 
reduce weight. However the strategically significant point is the 
relationship of the mass (weight) and mass displacement over the height of 
the tree and the implications that any reduction of peripheral mass has on 
the trees structural response to stimulus.

And to remind you as to "Why?", because a few hundred million years of 
evolution has designed trees to facilitate such pruning as a way for the tree 
to survive extreme climatic events in order to preserve the individual and 
bestow a genetic advantage on that individual. 

If such peripheral thinning is actualy facilitated by trees morphology, then 
arborists recognising and simulating this peripheral "Reduction Via Thinning" 
are only understanding fundamental morphological traits and using them to do 
the very essence of sympathetic, enlightened tree pruning.

You could question when such pruning is applicable, then we can have a useful 
discussion. 

I usually argue against pruning of any kind beyond formative pruning and if 
pruning (of any kind, but especially heavy pruning) is the only option then I 
suggest they consider removal and replacement, but given that my clients live 
cheek by jowl with their beloved trees, some of them, in full knowledge of 
the alternatives and for whatever reasons that they can't be talked out of, 
decide to manage the size of their trees. It is for these clients that "RVT" 
was designed.

David Lloyd-Jones

PS. I would be hapy to send you an evaluation copy Bettina.

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Evans 

  Hi Guys

  I wont comment about the combination of crown reduction and thinning beyond
  saying my usual why?  Nonetheless, such tree work doesn't reduce weight does
  it.  It's always a term that I've found rather odd.  Thinning or crown
  reductions don't reduce a tree's weight significantly because by far the
  greatest weight is contained in the main stem and principal limbs.

  Cheers

  Acer ventura




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