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Re: ICF/RICS

Subject: Re: ICF/RICS
From: Scott Cullen
Date: Mar 07 2005 11:50:47
Looking at this from afar, here on the left side of the pond, I have a few
observations. 

Edmund wrote

Your figures are illuminating, but even with 3000 the shortfall is 2000 on
what I believe is the minimum number now required for charters (and all of
them with a degree).
I think you must all distinguish the strength of numbers that affiliation
might bring, from the number that might ultimately become chartered. The
number of arbs with degrees will not change at any different rate on account
of affilation. For any individuals who put their highest priority on
becoming chartered, as I understand it there is already an avenue through
ICF, maybe through IOB. If there is any thought that a new arb specific set
of quals for charter would quickly increase the number of chartered arbs, is
that any more likely to happen simply by joining RICS?
I think a key question is whether the culture, mission and public awareness
of arboriculture would be stronger as X bodies in some arb organization or
as the same X bodies within an organization of entirely different culture
leaving you as X/10,000 or 20,000 or whatever RICS is.
While the issue of charter is UK specific (and the number who will actually
become chartered is a question as above), remember that some of this
audience at least are members of an ISA Chapter and ISA membership is
~17,000 worldwide. Based on conversations, just last week, the ISA
Executive Board is currently addressing the Internatinal nature of ISA and
how to strengthen it. Arboriculture is ISA's only focus. ISA have recently
rolled out, BTW, the new Board Certified Master Arborist program. No, it's
not a charter nor a degree, but it is a significantly higher qualification
than certified arborist.
It seems to me a question is if UKI-ISA, AA, and RICS cannot become unified
on the issue of professional arboriculture - through charter or otherwise -
on their own, then how are those same memberships going to accomplish the
same goal if subsumed into a much larger body with different focus?
ASCA are at about 450 members and are keenly aware of the limitations at
that size. But ASCA have committed to gow membership steadily and to all
along create a public awareness of its "brand."
Overall, it seems to me that evolution and maturation of a profession has to
happen from within its own ranks. If that unity, energy and commitment are
not there I must wonder how affilation with an entirely different profession
will create it. 

SC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edmund Hopkins" <Edmund.Hopkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk> 
To: "UK Tree Care" <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: ICF/RICS




To me the merger has all the appearance of a done deed notwithstanding all
the debate underway, so the important discussion will be "what now?", post
RICS.

Quoting R2i <r2i@xxxxxxxxxxx.com>:


ICF: 1,129 members of whom 615 are professional and 172 fellows;
membership
declined  by 40 between 2003 and 2004 and by 420 in 10 years and in only
one
year in the last 10 did they see a year on year rise in membership; all
signs of an institution in decline and unable to change to reflect the
conditions of the 21 C whilst there is huge amounts of activity in the
countryside, rural development, tree planting

AA: 1,958  members at end of 2004, an increase of 156 on 2003;



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