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Re: Standard of Tree Work

Subject: Re: Standard of Tree Work
From: Paul Hawksford
Date: Mar 16 2006 22:22:39
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The foreman was grounding at the time, I've a feeling
he let me come all the way down, just so's he could
send me all the way back up, that's why I called him a
b*****d!! The idea of charging monies for flushing a 
cut made sense though.

Paul H.
 
--- peter mcsheffrey <hudtreeserv@xxxxxxxx.com> wrote:


______________________________________________________________________
TEP Seminar V - TREE MORPHOLOGY
FINAL PLACES NOW AVAILABLE - Ashton Court, Bristol -
23rd & 24th March
Dr Pierre Raimbault - Use of Tree Architecture as a
Basis for Tree
Assessment
Dr Milena Martenkov - Understanding Branch & Root
Architecture
Dr David Lonsdale - Tree Morphology &Tree Assessment
& Management
www.treeworks.co.uk/seminars,
seminars@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk or 0117 XXXX XXX

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Leaving stub cuts and coming back down. I would have
sent my groundie back 
up to do it, if the foreman can see it so can he!

pete

From: Paul Hawksford <arbcon@xxxxxx.co.uk>
Reply-To: uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Standard of Tree Work
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:11:35 +0000 (GMT)


______________________________________________________________________
TEP Seminar V ? TREE MORPHOLOGY
FINAL PLACES NOW AVAILABLE ? Ashton Court, Bristol
- 23rd & 24th March
Dr Pierre Raimbault - Use of Tree Architecture as a
Basis for Tree
Assessment
Dr Milena Martenkov - Understanding Branch & Root
Architecture
Dr David Lonsdale - Tree Morphology &Tree
Assessment & Management
www.treeworks.co.uk/seminars,
seminars@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk or 0117 XXXX XXX

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"I agree with the sentiment about nptc
certification.
Pruning is an art that not all can grasp and all
climber will mess many trees up before they get a
feel for it."

I climbed for a company in Germany yonks ago, in
the
first week the ground rules were laid out, if we
stub
cut, we get back up and prune it correctly (NTP -
natural target pruning for the tree officer's info
earlier on) and if we flushed a cut we were charged
30
marks. By end of week one, we pruned correctly. On
my
second or third day, I'd climbed a massive Lime (or
Linden as they called them) and left a stub at
about
25m, the foreman sent me back up again - b*****d,
we
soon learnt though!!!

Paul H.




--- peter mcsheffrey <hudtreeserv@xxxxxxxx.com>
wrote:



______________________________________________________________________
TEP Seminar V - TREE MORPHOLOGY
FINAL PLACES NOW AVAILABLE - Ashton Court,
Bristol -
23rd & 24th March
Dr Pierre Raimbault - Use of Tree Architecture
as a
Basis for Tree
Assessment
Dr Milena Martenkov - Understanding Branch &
Root
Architecture
Dr David Lonsdale - Tree Morphology &Tree
Assessment
& Management
www.treeworks.co.uk/seminars,
seminars@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk or 0117 XXXX XXX


______________________________________________________________________


I agree with the sentiment about nptc
certification.
Pruning is an art that
not all can grasp and all climber will mess many
trees up before they get a
feel for it. This is due to commercial pressure
as
much as anything else.
Ayoung climber will be pushed to reach un
achivable
targets and proper
instruction is lacking. Reading BS3998 will give
him
a vocabulary and the
other tickets will give him the tools but that
will
not produce the standard
of tree work we all expect. I cringe at some of
my
first attempts to thin,
lion tailing over pruning etc.
However there is also a percentage of people who
just dont care. Job done go
home.These are the people that need to be
tackled,
and as a contractor and
climber i can not see a solution that is short
term
or simple.
This is in no means an excuse for poor pruning
as we
all witness. It is just
a reflection of the state of the contracting
industry as a see it.

From: Douglasbgrd@xxxx.com
Reply-To: uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Standard of Tree Work
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:45:53 EST




______________________________________________________________________
TEP Seminar V - TREE MORPHOLOGY
FINAL PLACES NOW AVAILABLE - Ashton Court,
Bristol
- 23rd & 24th March
Dr Pierre Raimbault - Use of Tree Architecture
as a
Basis for Tree
Assessment
Dr Milena Martenkov - Understanding Branch &
Root
Architecture
Dr David Lonsdale - Tree Morphology &Tree
Assessment & Management
www.treeworks.co.uk/seminars,
seminars@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk or 0117 XXXX XXX



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I would have to say there are plenty of Arbs
out
there that do not  have
the
right feel and the experience to carry out
sympathetic work  to trees, and
yes
I have come across plenty who think a NPTC is a
certificate of  general
tree
competence and not just a certificate to use a
chain  saw.   That's where
your
tree officer should come into his own when 
putting
contractors on their
list


Doug Lewis


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