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RE: Storm the BSI!

Subject: RE: Storm the BSI!
From: Addison, Gilbert
Date: Mar 17 2006 14:21:05
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For God's sake don't give Highways the idea!

 
Gilbert Addison
Tree and Countryside Officer
Breckland Council
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Ross [mailto:trees@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk] 
Sent: 17 March 2006 14:11
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: Storm the BSI!

______________________________________________________________________
TEP Seminar V - TREE MORPHOLOGY
FINAL PLACES NOW AVAILABLE - Ashton Court, Bristol - 23rd & 24th March
Dr Pierre Raimbault - Use of Tree Architecture as a Basis for Tree
Assessment
Dr Milena Martenkov - Understanding Branch & Root Architecture
Dr David Lonsdale - Tree Morphology &Tree Assessment & Management
www.treeworks.co.uk/seminars, seminars@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk or 0117 XXXX XXX
______________________________________________________________________
Scott Cullen wrote:
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TEP Seminar V - TREE MORPHOLOGY
FINAL PLACES NOW AVAILABLE - Ashton Court, Bristol - 23rd & 24th March
Dr Pierre Raimbault - Use of Tree Architecture as a Basis for Tree
Assessment
Dr Milena Martenkov - Understanding Branch & Root Architecture
Dr David Lonsdale - Tree Morphology &Tree Assessment & Management
www.treeworks.co.uk/seminars, seminars@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk or 0117 XXXX XXX
______________________________________________________________________
You can look at this two ways.  

On the one hand if a standard were free everyone would have a bit easier 
access.  Do we really think that every contractor would then read, 
understand and follow it?  Maybe if consumers could get it free they'd know 
waht to expect from a contractor.  Do we really think the consuker has the 
time or will be able to know the difference?

If you want to consider standards available free the Uniform Standards of 
Professional Appraisal Practice (US), Uniform Standards of Professional 
Appraisal Practice (CA), and the International Valuation Standards can all 
be downloaded in electronic format free.  The Royal Institution of 
Chartered Surveyors Appraisal and VAluation Manual (RICS Red Book) and the 
European Valuation Standards are both very pricey by contrast.  The former 
are published by professional bodies that want their members and all 
consumers to have access.  The latter two published in the UK.

BSI, DIN, ANSI, virtually all the national standards bodies are for profit 
publishers.  They get stakeholder volunteers to wrtite the standatrds and 
they publish them and take the money.  That's the way it works.  

Now given that's the way it works, here's the filp side.  If a standard has 
the force of law (practice, safety, whatever) then any contractor should at 
least be aware of it.  The law says follow it.  Now, you run a business.  
Just how big a deal is $100 or 100EU or 100GBP in a year's revenue?  Oh, 
the standards are revised only every 5-10 years.  How big a deal spread 
over 5-10 years revenue.  It's a cost of doing business.  How much are you 
spending on chain saws.  How about chains.  Truck tires?  Boots, gloves, 
ropes?  New computer fro the office?  Oh the paper.  Oh the new i-POD.  Oh 
the tunes you download?  How about ring tones for the mobile, sure I'll pay 
for fancy ring tones.

Seems like it's a cost of doing business.  
SC 

  
Doing business is one thing. What I'm particularly complaining about 
(apart from the outrageously exploitative prices of these poorly 
published documents) is that people - non-business people - are being 
expected to pay these sums to find out their legal obligations.
Would it be acceptable to be made to put a coin in a slot in order to 
discover the speed limit on a stretch of road?
JR

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Ross 
  To: UK Tree Care 
  Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 3:46 AM
  Subject: Storm the BSI!


  Broadening the "Standard of Tree Work" thread (well, diverting it 
  entirely actually) - yeah, photocopying it is illegal and yeah, it's 
  pricey - and you can bet your bottom euro that it will be priced at well 
  over £100 when Derek Patch and his colleagues has finished updating it - 
  Just as BS5837:2005 is now £120 - for which sum you get 34 
  computer-printed black and white A4 pages - not even bound, but banged 
  out in plastic shrink-wrap.
  And the BSI don't even pay the contributors' expenses!.
  As these documents have the force of law (as has been pointed out, 
  they're often made parts of planning conditions, for instance) it seems 
  outrageous that they're not more freely available, preferably online.
  So I've made a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading and with a 
  request that they investigate the BSI under the Competition Act.
  I think this is a serious matter of public interest - so I've also drawn 
  it to the attention of my MP.
  Anyone else out there want to join a campaign?

  


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J.P.ROSS B.Sc. F.Arbor.A 
Arboricultural Association 
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