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Re: Storm the BSI!

Subject: Re: Storm the BSI!
From: Jim Quaife
Date: Mar 19 2006 08:23:22
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The BS has problems and whilst I would not want the review rushed, clearly we need the final document sooner rather than later.
The cost is a scandal.
As far as general guidance relating to the issues of development and trees is concerned, the AA will be releasing guidance notes to do with good practice, including a specific guidance note on site control (draft virtually finished to be released for consultation in the not too distant future). We are also drafting up-to-date arboricultural planning conditions [APCs] with a view to the ODPM adopting them for inclusion into Circ 11/95. I think we have to wait until that happens before relkeasing the other guidance, but that does at least provide some breathing space. The APC draft is on the AA website and due to my own pressures of work, the consultation period is still open. I would welcome responses to that, but also any other thoughts. jq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk
Jim Q
----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hughes" <pete@xxxxxxxxxxx.wanadoo.co.uk>
To: "UK Tree Care" <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Storm the BSI!


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TEP Seminar V - TREE MORPHOLOGY
FINAL PLACES NOW AVAILABLE - Ashton Court, Bristol - 23rd & 24th March
Dr Pierre Raimbault - Use of Tree Architecture as a Basis for Tree
Assessment
Dr Milena Martenkov - Understanding Branch & Root Architecture
Dr David Lonsdale - Tree Morphology &Tree Assessment & Management
www.treeworks.co.uk/seminars, seminars@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk or 0117 XXXX XXX
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Hmmm......so why shouldn't the ODPM distribute guidance on trees on
development sites as well? I don't understand why guidance on how to
avoid breaking the law as it relates to TPOs is free, yet guidance on
how to avoid breaking the law as it applies to trees on development
sites isn't. If the BSI want to issue overpriced publications, then
fine, but when someone is told that trees on their site must be
protected to BS5837 or they will be breaking the law, yet that
information is not readily available, it seems a bit Kafkaesque. I'm not
suggesting that this information is entirely free - obviously there is a
cost involved in producing it - but as Jerry pointed out there is only
one source for this information which seems to be abusing it's monopoly.
I tend to feel the same about Health and Safety regulations - much of
what is published by the HSE is only available to those who pay an
expensive subscription.

Pete




Scott Cullen wrote:
I think the answer is fairly straight forward. ODPM is a tax funded government ministry. Their msiion is to distribue guidance.

As I understand it most of these standards bodies are for profit ventures. They don't give it away as a download becuase then fewer people would buy the printed version. I really think it uis just that simple. They may have obtained some government charter monopoly but they still seem allowed to make the money. It may be onerous or distatsteful but it is what it is. Would you say to somebody else in business, "why don't you give me your product for free," "why don't you lower your margin to benefit me?"

It seems similar to the acdemic journal publshers. You pay more per page as a non-subscriber for a download than you would for a hard copy re-print. We may not like it but it is what it is. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Hughes To: UK Tree Care Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 1:19 PM
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Yep, totally agree with you here Jerry. I really do not understand why BS5837, 3998 etc. cannot be available to download free of charge, like many other documents such as the TPO guidance on the ODPM website. At £3.53 a page (I just worked it out ;-) ) the cost to buy BS5837 is ludicrous.





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