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RE: Integrating QTRA into a Councils tree strategy

Subject: RE: Integrating QTRA into a Councils tree strategy
From: Mike Ellison
Date: Oct 05 2006 21:05:55
I would add to those comments by saying that QTRA and the Lantra 3 day
course.  Qtra training provides instruction on tree failure risk assessment
but does not provide guidance on assessing tree defects.  My understanding
of the Lantra course, which I too had concerns about at the final
consultation draft, gives little useful guidance on tree failure risk
assessment but considers the assessment of defects and the legal position in
relation to harm from tree failure.

Mike Ellison

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hastie [] 
Sent: 05 October 2006 16:44
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: Integrating QTRA into a Councils tree strategy

Reply interwoven with original for context.
On 05 October 2006 16:11, Ben Myles Oates wrote:
What experience do you have of a tree inspection/risk
assessment courses you have attended which you consider is a
good one to do?

Poole has opted for the Lantra Professional Tree Inspection Course.

Has anyone any experience of this training? Does it require regular

Hi Ben

I'm afraid I'm not Jeremy, but you can't win 'em all!

I've done the QTRA training. I haven't done the LANTRA course, but I did
take part in the consultation on it. I had some considerable misgivings.

It seems to me there is a huge difference between the QTRA course and
the LANTRA one. In particular, the LANTRA course is largely about
standing at the base of a tree and assessing how likely it is to fall
over. Importantly, particularly in the context of Andy's original
question, it did not (at consultation stage anyway) address the
strategic question of why we come to be standing at the bottom the tree.
A sensible application of QTRA would address this question.

I have to confess to not having looked at how the course was finally
produced. It is noticeable that the title has changed though - I believe
it was originally "Tree Survey, Inspection and Safety Management". One
of my criticisms was that it did not deal with the strategic element of
safety management, and perhaps the change of title reflects this.
Perhaps, even, a further course for the managers of Professional Tree
Inspectors is planned that addresses these issues? I also should say
that I have heard some excellent feedback from those I know who have
attended the course.

So I think the message I'm trying to get across, in the context of
Andy's query, is that there is a world of difference between inspecting
a tree and drawing up policies on inspecting trees. What is a little
disappointing in the LANTRA course is that I feel the issue of how to
inspect a tree is well covered in existing arb training. It is the issue
of planning risk management systems that is missed (as evidenced by the
constant requests here for guidance on inspection frequency) and it is
that that really needs addressing in a new course.

For interest, the more general parts of my comments on the consultation
draft are attached.

Chris Hastie
Strategy Officer (Arboriculture)
Warwick District Council

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