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RE: Smell to fell.......

Subject: RE: Smell to fell.......
From: Jeremy Dallow
Date: Dec 19 2006 15:12:05
It's a conservation area.

My colleague cycles past some female ginkgos on the way into work & said that 
if I TPO'd it he'd kill me... or words to that effect.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Cullen [mailto:dscottcul@xxxx.net]
Sent: 19 December 2006 15:09
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: Smell to fell.......


It raises another question... was it obvious at the time of the TPO that the 
tree was female and fruit bearing?  If so was the original assessment in 
error?  If not, is the TPO subject to review?  From a policy standpoint  can 
a TPO be "provisonal" or conditioned on potential conditions like fruit 
bearing?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeremy Dallow 
  To: UK Tree Care 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:59 AM
  Subject: RE: Smell to fell.......


  I have to admit that I have'nt seen it yet but I thought that I'd get it 
onto the list because I thought it might draw out some interesting 
viewpoints. I am assuming that the tree is of a reasonable amenity value, 
just for the sake of it and to play devils advocate.

  I can see both sides - obviously I'd like to protect the tree if it 
warrants it, but also I'd hate to live (even for a month or two of the year) 
with a continuous vomit smell (it'd be like being 18 all over again but 
without the booze and the blurriness.)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Scott Cullen [mailto:dscottcul@xxxx.net]
  Sent: 19 December 2006 14:35
  To: UK Tree Care
  Subject: Re: Smell to fell.......


  An interesting question.  The literature is reasonably clear that Social or 
Community or Public vales will vary from any one individual vale with will 
vary from each other.  I tend to think it is not (or not just) the realtaive 
values that matter it is rather the rights of the beneficiaries.  

  And marginal value may matter.  With the individual either enjoying or 
being nuisanced (what is the verb?) by a single tree, that tree is the 
margin.  It matters greatly.  With the public enjoying - ostensibly - many 
trees we have to ask does this one tree have marginal value to the public.  
Will it be missd or are there lots of other trees in the neighborhood.

  We must also consider that the amenity value assessed at the time of TPO 
may have changed.

  This is where UF management comes into play.  Are TPOs applied in a vacuum? 
 Are TPOs alone, once applied the totality of UF management?

  Going back the the brewery or abbatoir, it is becoming a common case in the 
US that as agricultural areas more or less gradually become residential, the 
framer next door who has been farming for generations finds that the aroma of 
cow manure or the sound of the tractor at daybreak are a nuisance to the new 
neighbors.  It's a real issue.

  SC
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Salisbury, Noel 
    To: UK Tree Care 
    Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:17 AM
    Subject: RE: Smell to fell.......


    Can it be any worse than  The Local Brewery next door?  Oh yes, let's
    close down the supplier
    of beer...

    How about being next door to the Abattoir ? ( The smell of Cows,Pigs &
    Sheep could be certainly
    said to be 'unpleasant' ) No doubt a resounding 'yes' from the
    vegetarians amongst us, but....

    However, as the tree has been Actually assessed to provide Amenity Value
    - surely THAT value
    is at a higher lever - and to MORE people - than the few who complain
    about a single tree having a Nuisance Value ONLY AT THE FRUITING time of
    year....

    Q - Does the nuisance value outweigh the Amenity Value?

    Noel Salisbury
    Landscape/Technical Officer 
    Tel:01524 - 582471
    E-mail:-  nsalisbury@xxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk


    -----Original Message-----
    From: dave.sephton@xxxxx.gov.uk [mailto:dave.sephton@xxxxx.gov.uk] 
    Sent: 19 December 2006 11:46
    To: UK Tree Care
    Subject: RE: Smell to fell.......


    Hi,  

    Just a thought on the Ginkgo issue.  Could it be construed as a nuisance
    in any way?

    Dave Sephton
    Arboricultural Manager
    Kent County Council
    Landscape Services

    Tel: 01303 245831
    Mob: 07920 428765


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jeremy Dallow [mailto:J.Dallow@xxxxxxxxx.gov.uk]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:37 AM
    To: UK Tree Care
    Subject: Smell to fell.......


    Hello,

    We've had an application in to remove a female Ginko because of the
    smell produced by the fruits. Anyone had any experience with this? I
    have to admit that if I had one in my garden I'd be a bit gutted, waking
    up to a smell of rancid butter every morning. Can't be too great. But
    then again, the tree is healthy.

    I have'nt actually seen it yet so it might not be an issue but I just
    thought it might be worth discussing.

    Regards,


    Jeremy Dallow
    Tree Inspector
    Parks and Open Spaces

    Room 213 
    The Civic Centre
    44 York St
    Twickenham 
    TW1 3BZ

    Tel: 020 8891 7808 
    Fax: 020 8891 7787
    J.Dallow@xxxxxxxxx.gov.uk


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