It's a conservation area.
My colleague cycles past some female ginkgos on the way into work & said that
if I TPO'd it he'd kill me... or words to that effect.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Cullen [mailto:dscottcul@xxxx.net]
Sent: 19 December 2006 15:09
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: Smell to fell.......
It raises another question... was it obvious at the time of the TPO that the
tree was female and fruit bearing? If so was the original assessment in
error? If not, is the TPO subject to review? From a policy standpoint can
a TPO be "provisonal" or conditioned on potential conditions like fruit
bearing?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy Dallow
To: UK Tree Care
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: Smell to fell.......
I have to admit that I have'nt seen it yet but I thought that I'd get it
onto the list because I thought it might draw out some interesting
viewpoints. I am assuming that the tree is of a reasonable amenity value,
just for the sake of it and to play devils advocate.
I can see both sides - obviously I'd like to protect the tree if it
warrants it, but also I'd hate to live (even for a month or two of the year)
with a continuous vomit smell (it'd be like being 18 all over again but
without the booze and the blurriness.)
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Cullen [mailto:dscottcul@xxxx.net]
Sent: 19 December 2006 14:35
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: Smell to fell.......
An interesting question. The literature is reasonably clear that Social or
Community or Public vales will vary from any one individual vale with will
vary from each other. I tend to think it is not (or not just) the realtaive
values that matter it is rather the rights of the beneficiaries.
And marginal value may matter. With the individual either enjoying or
being nuisanced (what is the verb?) by a single tree, that tree is the
margin. It matters greatly. With the public enjoying - ostensibly - many
trees we have to ask does this one tree have marginal value to the public.
Will it be missd or are there lots of other trees in the neighborhood.
We must also consider that the amenity value assessed at the time of TPO
may have changed.
This is where UF management comes into play. Are TPOs applied in a vacuum?
Are TPOs alone, once applied the totality of UF management?
Going back the the brewery or abbatoir, it is becoming a common case in the
US that as agricultural areas more or less gradually become residential, the
framer next door who has been farming for generations finds that the aroma of
cow manure or the sound of the tractor at daybreak are a nuisance to the new
neighbors. It's a real issue.
SC
----- Original Message -----
From: Salisbury, Noel
To: UK Tree Care
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: Smell to fell.......
Can it be any worse than The Local Brewery next door? Oh yes, let's
close down the supplier
of beer...
How about being next door to the Abattoir ? ( The smell of Cows,Pigs &
Sheep could be certainly
said to be 'unpleasant' ) No doubt a resounding 'yes' from the
vegetarians amongst us, but....
However, as the tree has been Actually assessed to provide Amenity Value
- surely THAT value
is at a higher lever - and to MORE people - than the few who complain
about a single tree having a Nuisance Value ONLY AT THE FRUITING time of
year....
Q - Does the nuisance value outweigh the Amenity Value?
Noel Salisbury
Landscape/Technical Officer
Tel:01524 - 582471
E-mail:- nsalisbury@xxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: dave.sephton@xxxxx.gov.uk [mailto:dave.sephton@xxxxx.gov.uk]
Sent: 19 December 2006 11:46
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: Smell to fell.......
Hi,
Just a thought on the Ginkgo issue. Could it be construed as a nuisance
in any way?
Dave Sephton
Arboricultural Manager
Kent County Council
Landscape Services
Tel: 01303 245831
Mob: 07920 428765
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Dallow [mailto:J.Dallow@xxxxxxxxx.gov.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:37 AM
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Smell to fell.......
Hello,
We've had an application in to remove a female Ginko because of the
smell produced by the fruits. Anyone had any experience with this? I
have to admit that if I had one in my garden I'd be a bit gutted, waking
up to a smell of rancid butter every morning. Can't be too great. But
then again, the tree is healthy.
I have'nt actually seen it yet so it might not be an issue but I just
thought it might be worth discussing.
Regards,
Jeremy Dallow
Tree Inspector
Parks and Open Spaces
Room 213
The Civic Centre
44 York St
Twickenham
TW1 3BZ
Tel: 020 8891 7808
Fax: 020 8891 7787
J.Dallow@xxxxxxxxx.gov.uk
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