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Re: Non invasive cable brace[Scanned]

Subject: Re: Non invasive cable brace[Scanned]
From: Robert Knott
Date: Dec 21 2006 20:41:11
"And for
what it's worth those Belt and Braces things that Noddy was demonstrating at York did not look at all cheap, even if they were reasonable. (Actually I've
just looked; 20  quid an end and 2.40 a metre so 50 quid a length plus
installation so say a  ton a time?)(treeworker.co.uk) "

Hi Bill
Thanks for the mention, but if you look into the system in a bit more depth then you'll find that the Gefa approach is anything from 30-120% cheaper than all systems on the UK market apart from eye bolts, bulldogs & cable. It's simpler to install, despite my hamfisted attempt at York, & can be a part of treecare solutions in the UK if only we move our minds away from the 'fear of litigation' mind set that has prevailed for at least the past 20years.

We, mostly, seem quite happy to recommend varying degrees of branch removal as a sound approach to tree maintenance in many circumstances & I'm often surprised at how keen we are to avoid crown support as being another sound approach.

Cheers
Nod

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In a message dated 21/12/2006 12:58:36 GMT Standard Time,
ian.may@xxxxxxxxx.gov.uk writes:

I was  trying to find a bricks and mortar comparative analogy. The
closest I could  come up with was; A listed building owner wants to
demolish his building  because he will not accept the costs of
maintaining a safe structure. Such  requests are invariably denied but
here's where the comparison fails  because the LPA can serve a repairs
notice to require the work to a listed  building, although as you
highlight Bill, this is not an option with TPO  trees.



As I see it Ian, the thing about listed buildings is that financial
assistance is available and they will cover a significant chunk of the cost. The only
grant I have ever seen for tree work has come from the Peak Park and was
aimed more at habitat preservation than actual maintenance, and was only a
piddling 20%. The TO there, bless im, is a bit arbitrary with it and I have to say
appears to be allowed a long and flexible leash by his bosses.....

The listed building scenario is all a bit complex because the property
market is such that any crumbling pile is likely to get a new owner who will restore and gentrify the property, so it will have a market value, a TPO'd tree
probably hasn't got a market value.

The issue as I see it, is not to do with trees at all, it is to do with
'Freedom.' Generally we don't want our political masters telling us what to do cos we know they're even less likely to do the right thing than we are. At the
heart of it we have this problem that the power to wander into a person's
garden and demand that they grow a tree is draconian (not to mention bizarre) and
before any 'Agent of the State' exercises that power they ought to have
demonstrably good reason.

I have to say that over the last few months I find myself coming round to
the John Flannigan POV that TPOs should be abandoned and we simply protect all trees. It might force all LAs to consider precisely why they should require
anybody to grow a tree before denying them permission to remove.

As for the cost issue, well yes a cable is initially cheaper, probably, but if you're got to climb and inspect the damn thing every year then this will soon outweigh the cost of a simple felling job. And yes I have seen trees with 4 or 5 cables in that could certainly have been felled more cheaply. And for what it's worth those Belt and Braces things that Noddy was demonstrating at York did not look at all cheap, even if they were reasonable. (Actually I've
just looked; 20  quid an end and 2.40 a metre so 50 quid a length plus
installation so say a  ton a time?)(treeworker.co.uk)

Bill.



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