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Dear Iain
I agree with many of your comments. However, most of our tree work
applications and section211 notices come from tree surgeons who are not
AA approved and who have got there work by forming a good local client
base, over a long period of time, through their quality of work and
value for money. In my experience and opinion (it is only that and not
necessarily fact), it is rarely the smaller companies that are AA
approved but they may indeed get more work in specific areas because the
bigger approved companies can sometimes charge considerably more
(presumably due to overheads) and perhaps give less of a personal
service. I always suggest to the public to go on a recommendation. It
would be actually recommending a firm that could land us in court and
not suggesting that an industry body, who actively promote good working
practices in terms of arboriculture and business, be used to find an
arborist.
I am happy in myself that I am a competent and experienced
Arboriculturist but it is not my place or the place of a local authority
to make that sort of judgement about others by producing a 'Council
list'. The AA has proven competent at this activity over the years and
there may be room for others.
It's a difficult one though eh!
Alastair Durkin
Forestry Officer
Planning
Tandridge District Council
Tel: 01883 732863
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-----Original Message-----
From: Oakdale [mailto:iain@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk]
Sent: 16 January 2008 16:43
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: The local press and FindTreeSurgeons.com [Scanned]
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Dear Alistair
In response to your comments
Quote
"I can't speak for everyone but we do recommend that tree surgeons are
AA
approved or that they come recommended from a trusted source such as a
friend or neighbour. We would never recommend individuals. I sometimes
think this is a bit of a shame as there are some quality tree surgeons
in our district who are not AA approved and, according to them, are
never likely to be."
Have you ever Asked them Why ????
the sole promotion of any one group of business, simply because they
have a
badge issued by a none mandatory self proposed regulatory body & then
the
consequntial exclusion of others, because they choose not to ' is
illegal
'
& I cant believe Public funded bodies think they cant do it.
these businesses may not be comparipal in ability, companys have
various
chargeable rates & to exclude competant operators, unfairly weighs on
the
bill payer. Best Value !!!!!!
Therefore it is not the place of Authoritys to make that decision.
Its like telling them that fortnum & Mason or Harrods can deliver there
weekly food, without giving them the numbers for Asda or Sainsburys just
because, etc !!
You have already expressed your personal professional approval of some
local
arborists working professionally within your area. obviously because
they
meet your expectations.
For the authority to proactively encourage private individuals to seek a
professional service is commendable, there is however, no requirement
to
belong to 'any' such organisations.
In fact any person wishing to obtain direction from the authority,
should be
given the details of any person(S) who has expressed an interest in the
inclusion, on such a data base of companys / persons as operated by the
authority.
The person should then ascertain the qualification / insurance and
competance in so far as they can carryout any tree work to Bs 3998 or
5837
as applicable .
Bs3998 doesnt state a person must be qualified it simply gives a
standard to
acheive, where they have the skill / ability to reach this standard &
conform to the relevant hse legislation as applicable to the task Not
with
standing Aerial chainsaw use legislation, If Used
It is incumbent on any person employing a contractor to satisy
themselves of
this.
Given your current policy
If the wheel came of on a job or where colusion between companys was
proven
in a tight labour market.
how would the authority stand should a formal complaint be lodged !!
where the authority operated an approved strictly limited list of
companys
A chat with legal services perhaps ?
Food for thought I hope, after all fairs fair
Kind rgds
Iain Graham (rfs c,arb)
Managing Director
Oakdale (NE) Limited
Townend Farm, Whitby Road,
Easington, Ts13 4NE
http://www.treesurgeoncleveland.co.uk/
tel / 01287 644555 / 01287 640444
direct mobile No 07950 029425
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From: "Alastair Durkin" <ADurkin@xxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>
To: "UK Tree Care" <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: The local press and FindTreeSurgeons.com [Scanned]
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"Hi Iv'e been following this thread and I was wandering do you LA bods
practise
what you preach and get your contractors off this list??"
It is entirely up to the individual contractors as to what lists they
wish to be included on.
I can't speak for everyone but we do recommend that tree surgeons are AA
approved or that they come recommended from a trusted source such as a
friend or neighbour. We would never recommend individuals. I sometimes
think this is a bit of a shame as there are some quality tree surgeons
in our district who are not AA approved and, according to them, are
never likely to be.
Alastair Durkin
Forestry Officer
Planning
Tandridge District Council
Tel: 01883 732863
E-mail: adurkin@xxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk
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more can all be viewed via the Council's 'Planning Interactive' online
planning system. You can also comment on applications and report alleged
breaches of planning control online.
You can also make electronic planning applications and appeals via the
Planning Portal.
All these services are available at http://www.tandridge.gov.uk/planning
-----Original Message-----
From: tony1.lee@xxxxxxx.net [mailto:tony1.lee@xxxxxxx.net]
Sent: 16 January 2008 13:58
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: The local press and FindTreeSurgeons.com [Scanned]
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surveys to BS 5837.
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Hi Iv'e been following this thread and I was wandering do you LA bods
practise
what you preach and get your contractors off this list??
Tony
Yew Tree Forestry
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