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Re: BS:5837 20% offset question

Subject: Re: BS:5837 20% offset question
From: Scott Cullen
Date: Jan 22 2008 14:01:18
SC insertions...
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Hinsley 
  To: UK Tree Care 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:23 AM
  Subject: RE: BS:5837 20% offset question


  Hi Ian

  The notion that you cannot offset the RPA would suggest you are treating the
  RPA as the extent of the root system, rather than a rule of thumb for the
  amount of root loss that a tree will tolerate without detriment. Once you
  take on board the fact that the roots extend well beyond the RPA then off
  setting be 20% simply alters the location of the retained roots - it does
  not impact upon the actual amount of root system retained.

  SC  Mark seems to be spot on.  Again, I have not looked closely at BS 5837 
in a while.  But the US protocols, principally Matheny & Clark (based loosely 
on the previous BS 5837) applied properly should wind up with a Critical Root 
Zone (CRZ), Tree Protection Zone (TPZ) or other analog (that might be roughly 
analogous to RPA) that is quite conservative, that gives an opitimum chnace 
of tree survival w/o major impact.  But even with that conservatism, the 
typical root spread of a tree extends well beyond a CRZ or TPZ, well beyond 
typical crown drip lines (some sources suggest 1-2-3 x the drip line). So A) 
as Mark suggests there is lots of room to shift the zone or area around and 
still keep sufficient roots for optimum survival, and B) lattitude to recue 
the area understanding performance may be less than optimal.

  SC Following on from the mention of "drip line," some protocols still use 
that (or some fraction or multiple) as the standard for root protection.  The 
concept of "open grown" is found in the US literature in that context.  An 
open grown tree of X trunk diameter is likely to have a drip line or crown 
spread of Y.  But a tree with the same Xd but grwon in a crowded group is 
likely to hace a crown spread of <Y, maybe 0.5Y or 0.25Y.  But much the same 
root spraed, so for a tree that is not "open grown," drip line is a poor 
indicator of CRZ-TPZ-RPA.

  SC

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