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RE: Atkins - Scott - Judgement

Subject: RE: Atkins - Scott - Judgement
From: David Lofthouse
Date: Aug 20 2008 12:48:27
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I've heard some almost glowing reports of the decision in Atkins/Scott. I 
can't agree with them, certainly not, Paul, that its refreshing.

Ian Murat's evidence is 'unpersuasive and unimpressive' because, among other 
reasons, he does not believe that ' a quick visual check is sufficient 
(examination) for a tree by a busy A road'.  
Please bear in mind the fact that in this case he was actually correct and it 
wasn't sufficient.

Sir James (Scott) noted that it would NOT have been unduly onerous to have 
had formal recorded inspection of the trees by the road but the judge thought 
it was fine that there were no systematic, recorded or regular inspections. 
The woodsmen were often in the area and WOULD HAVE looked!

I would not wish to criticise any of the defendant's evidence or that of his 
woodsmen, but given the fact that everyone on earth agrees that we need to 
demonstrate a SYSTEMATIC approach to our inspections, even if the system has 
flaws, I am amazed at the cavalier attitude of the judge to the lack of 
system present in this case - arguably because he sees the defendant as 
clearly such a 'good chap'.

I don't necessarily disagree with the outcome but there are elements of the 
Judgement which are arbitrary and to my mind thoroughly subjective.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul S Watts [mailto:pswatts@xxxxxxxxx.com]
Sent: 19 August 2008 14:33
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Atkins - Scott - Judgement


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The recent [last week] Judgement in the case of Atkins - v - Sir J Scott
makes fascinating reading and is, in my opinion, essential reference.

 

In this instance, the Judge has clear perception and an objective mind in
relation to the massive differences between the two Expert witnesses. For
the Judge to drill down through the multitude of reasons why one of the
Experts lacked consistency and credibility, is certainly a damming
indictment and also rather refreshing. Certainly a wakeup call for some
sectors of the profession.

 

I would strongly recommend this and do not be put off by the 30 page length
[The McCartney - v - Mills Judgement was almost 60 pages].

 

I believe that Dealga has made the paper available to the  AIE and has
kindly put up a download on their site. The link is:

 

http://www.aie.org.uk/resources/case_law/aie_case_atkins_scott.html

 

Or if anyone has a problem, mail me and I will copy by return.

 

Regards

 

Paul S Watts



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