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Responding to Simon and Phillip:
<PS... Any fool can plant a tree, if you don' believe me... see how many
Leyland Cypress you can spot over the weekend.>
Got it in one Simon - that's one of the main problems! That’s why arbs
should be trying to compensate for such 'fools'.
<I would have thought the landscape industry and horticulture are the
professions with far higher knowledge and experience.
When I did my arb training little if any was given on planting and I would
add little interest from the students on the course.
Someone coming from horticulture would start off with a far better
background of knowledge of selection, specifications and establishing
trees.>
In my experience Phillip - landscapers and horts are being taught even less
about tree planting than you were. And, what they are taught is often
woefully out of date. At my old college the tree planting carried out over
the past 5 years on the campus has been terrible - both in design and
implementation.
I really don't think we can rely on other professions to 'get it right' and
we certainly shouldn't turn our backs on the problem.
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From: Simon Valente [mailto:arborist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.wanadoo.co.uk]
Sent: 05 September 2008 19:53
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: Roadside Planting
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Phillip wrote...
"I really believe few people care about the importance of aftercare!
I will stop there as it winds me up!"
Don't let it wind you up Phillip, as far as I'm conserned... I'm glad to be
one of the few
I don't see it as question of people caring or not but more one of people
understanding. A lot of people find it hard to grasp the fact that this
great big wooden thing is a living organism. They just can't see the time
involved because it's ticking too slowly. I've always explained it to people
by saying that a year for a tree is like a day for us, and each day for us
is like a single breath for the tree. It my experience, it helps them to
connect to what it is they are looking at.
To be fair, we've only been growing trees in our modern towns for a
relatively short time. It's only now that the consequences of some of our
actions are beginning to be understood. Trees and cars for instance (if you
think about this) are fundamentally in conflict with each other. One is
built for moving, the other designed for staying put. (Trees and buildings
however could have be made for each other:-)
Going back to the original quote from Chris Ingram I would say that after a
few years in the industry I now think that Arboriculture is about learning
about growing trees.
Have a good weekend,
Simon Valente.
PS... Any fool can plant a tree, if you don' belive me... see how many
Leyland Cypress you can spot over the weekend.
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From: "Phillip Ellis"
To: "UK Tree Care"
Cc:
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I would have thought the landscape industry and horticulture are the
professions with far higher knowledge and experience.
When I did my arb training little if any was given on planting and I would
add little interest from the students on the course.
Someone coming from horticulture would start off with a far better
background of knowledge of selection, specifications and establishing
trees.
One of the problems I see is aftercare, so many dead and dying trees I see
on the sites I survey and then the strimmers and ride on mowers cause so
much damage.
I really believe few people care about the importance of aftercare!
I will stop there as it winds me up!
Phillip Ellis
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Sent: 05 September 2008 09:49
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Simon wrote:
Merrist Wood. "Arboriculture is not about planting trees" he said "it's
about growing them".>
I can see where Chris is coming from with this statement but if
Arboriculture is not about planting trees then which profession is?
What other profession knows more about planting trees?
Peter
Morning Howard,
Pretty depressing assessment of the English public.
That said... was the Book/Paper referring to Street tree planting or
planting along what we now call main roads?
Whenever I hear about "Planting schemes" I am reminded of Chris Ingrams
words in one of my first lectures at Merrist Wood. "Arboriculture is not
about planting trees" he said "it's about growing them".
IMO many of these planting schemes fail because there is no real plan (or
money) to deal with the trees once they are established (in some cases it
doesn't go beyond planting). Like the man/woman said...
"the English population is lacking in the primary instincts necessary for
the creation and maintenance of agreeable surroundings"
I think we are quite good at the creation part but often fall down on the
maintenance bit. Just look at all the lapsed pollards if you really want a
reason to cry into your beer.
Simon Valente
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To: "UK Tree Care"
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I am looking at planting schemes so have blown the dust off a few books.
A
great section is copied below from 'Roadside Planting' published in 1930,
it
suggests planting new trees may not be that straight forward here in the
UK!
"Much of the disappointment caused by failure of road planting schemes is
due to wilful damage, either by the local inhabitants wantonly destroying
the trees and shrubs, or by motorists and others breaking the flowering
branches when in bloom to take home, or digging up the smaller shrubs and
plants and carrying them away, presumably to plant in their own gardens.
"It must be confessed that the English population is lacking in the
primary
instincts necessary for the creation and maintenance of agreeable
surroundings to a greater extent than any other nation in Western
civilisation. In France, Switzerland, Italy, and Germany all members of
the
community combine to protect the trees along the roadside, but here the
senseless destruction of beautiful plants and shrubs seems to be the rule
rather than the exception, and is without question the most urgent and
difficult problem which those whose aim is to beautify their country have
to
tackle. No opportunity should be lost of driving home the necessity of
caring for the beauties of nature in the schools, through the organisation
of Boy Scouts, Girl Guides, and other suitable bodies, by soliciting the
help of the Press, and by short talks on the wireless."
How times change - we can use now TV and the internet too :)
H.
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