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RE: Plotting groups

Subject: RE: Plotting groups
From: brendantuer@xxxxxxxx.co.uk
Date: Dec 12 2008 18:32:10

"Why should a group of trees be treated any differently to say a
multistem tree, as long as you identify the faults and deal with 
them."

Yes. As long as you identify all the faults - but, my point is that 
its very difficult to find a honogenous group (where all trees are 
identical).
What tends to happen with databases, is a group is plotted and then a 
couple of "problem trees" are identified as individuals within the 
group.  But what if one of the other trees fails (one which has not 
been recorded individually)?
  


----Original Message----
From: Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk
Date: 12/12/2008 11:08 
To: "UK Tree Care"<uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subj: RE: Plotting groups

Brendan,

Why should a group of trees should be treated any differently to say 
a
multistem tree, as long as you identify the faults and deal with 
them. A
group of one species is a cohesive unit.


Ron Howe
Planning Tree Officer
Mole Valley District Council
Pippbrook
Dorking
RH4 1SJ
Direct Tel. 01306 XXX XXX


-----Original Message-----
From: brendantuer@xxxxxxxx.co.uk [mailto:brendantuer@xxxxxxxx.co.uk] 
Sent: Fri, 12 December 2008 10:55
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Plotting groups

Question: Tree databases.

Plotting trees in groups is more cost effective.  It provides data 
which
is easy to understand and easy to re-visit, (especially when compared
with lots of confusing, individual records).  But does a methodology
which promotes the surveying of the majority of trees as groups, 
offer a
robust defence against litigation?

Let's say, "Bob" surveys 10 trees in a collective group.  They are
generally in fair health but with some minor defects.  They are 
located
next to a public highway.  Bob surveyed them all in detail at the 
time
of inspection, but the methodology requires one generalised record 
for
the collective group.  We know that all trees are slightly different 
and
a single database entry for a group of trees will only ever record 
the
"average tree" within the group.  

Now lets say one of the trees, fails.  The expert witness for the 
"other
side" says what he is paid to say, "there was clear evidence that the
tree would fail."  If we assume that "Bob" surveyed the trees 
properly
(and yes, with hindsight, the tree should have been plotted as an
individual, but the same applies to most of the others), is there an
obvious problem with a methodology which promotes plotting trees as
groups wherever possible?  Will such a methodology provide a robust
defence against litigation?  

Now lets apply the same scenario to a woodland.  There are over 1,000
trees and again, a general note appears within the database.  One of 
the
trees fails...

Any thoughts?
Brendan









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