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Re: your thoughts please

Subject: Re: your thoughts please
From: benfuest
Date: Dec 17 2008 23:43:27
Thanks Ken and yes we live in interesting times. I have several council clients that have opted out of inspection of there lightning protection systems this year, taking them out of what was British Standard. Ok so a small and insignificant example compared to the bigger picture. I think it was Brendons questions on tree surveys, individual V groupings is this another sign of cut backs and what will the increase in exposure to risk be both in private and public sector. We as a profession have concentrated heavily on risk reduction for a while now developing quite sophisticated mechanisms for dealing with them. Soon we will have to ask ourselves if we can afford to implement them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Linford" <treecheck@xxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk>
To: "UK Tree Care" <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: your thoughts please


Ben

Having run a recession awareness seminar in November in the NW of England I
get the impression that of the 20 odd firms that attended most didn't know
what to expect.  Most people are like rabbits in the head lights wondering
what is going to happen when the juggernaut gets to them.

To be fair most of us including Mr D and Mr B were not around in '29 so even
the good and the great don't know what the future holds.

The Construction related market has already gone down the swanney and if it
comes to it private people with dicky trees may well refer the problem to
the Local Authority.  Tenders for treework are already being keenly fought
for and I have already seen prices that are below cost and taken just to
keep the lads busy.

Many private customers seem to be retaining the timber for firewood and
amateur takedowns with all the accident implications will be on the rise

Lancs County woodland initiative are thinking of supporting a monthly
financial planning guidance note to the tree and woodland community

I wonder what the temperature is in other parts of the country.

We live in interesting times!!!

Ken Linford
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-----Original Message-----
From: benfuest [mailto:benfuest@xxxxxxxxx.co.uk]
Sent: 17 December 2008 18:25
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: your thoughts please

Hi all

Tree care is a service industry and in the economic climate as is will
presumably taking a hit. Developers are not building houses so no need for
development related tree services, house prices are falling, incomes at risk
so residential tree care bottom of list of things to do.

Councils burnt in Icelandic bank collapse so tree surveys possibly cut back
too............The posts on forum are mostly from council employed tree
officers. This is not intended as a dig just an observation, so what of the
contracting community, are we at risk of losing them and there skills ?

I work across the pond in the USA a bit and looking at the top twenty firms
over there they start at about 24 million dollar turn over and go on up to
one point seven billion dollars. Of course it is all relative and I dare say
they are hurting, but over here it is all a lot more cottage by comparison.

Traditionally in such a cash calamity it is the commercial forestry sector
that takes the pain as the trees can be left standing till markets return,
Arb contractors have not had to experience this sort of down turn before or
am I wrong ?

Just thinking aloud an wondered what you lot thought.

All the best Ben




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