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RE: Ganoderma applanatum/australe on n.maple - implications

Subject: RE: Ganoderma applanatum/australe on n.maple - implications
From: antony croft
Date: Dec 29 2011 22:39:26




Thanks Luke, shall have a read of that one shortly, I knew nothing of the 
free access at wiley, and i am sincerely grateful for that link.

Now,  I don't know who it was originally posted these references
 IMO 

 (3) Lonsdale (1999, p. 99), Schwarze et. al. (2000, p. 76-81) and Butin 
(1995, p. 163). Schwarze et. al. (2000B) for which i cant comment on as I do 
not know what this work referes too

 but Both the lonsdale and Butin ones (have them here beside me) are VERY 
limited to information that woodsman told eachother for longer than the 
decade these have been published in.
As for the first schwarze reference there is a mention of a soft rot 
(Schwarze et al 2000b) this is obviously not a reference to his latest epic 
work DaPotDoWDiUT for short, because i had a peek in there. so if anyone has 
a copy of that reference send it by all means, i would be greatful.
I will add to this with an observation that i am still looking into, where L. 
sulphureus is in direct contact and has colonised large volumes of wood as 
nieghbour to fistulina, fistulina is forced earlier than would be the case 
under normal conditions into the sapwood where failure occurs as a direct 
result of direct competition and a soft rot is clear in the brittle fractures 
I have seen from this interaction, But I stress this is a seldom found 
scenario and is usualy more likely to fail limbs than main stems but the 
possibility is there all the same.
Schwarze makes a point of mentioning various other hosts in both volumes, and 
i would very much like to see this information clarified and made "robust" 
because I think it very unlikely to be frank, in fact i searched the FRDBI 
database fairly recently to find out what "other" hosts" might have been 
actually recorded. I found one references as "on leaves" this by one of the 
most respected of contributors to the list and who has as yet declined to 
comment! Despite replying to one of my questions, but neglecting to elaborate 
where it mattered!
Has anyone here 100% certain found F. hepatica on ash for example? i think 
this is old hispidus brackets mistaken for the fibrose nature of the dried 
sporocarps, again same thing with the walnut claims.
I will pay a days wages to the charity of choice in the name of the first 
person to put me in front of a F. hepatica sporocarp on anything other than 
heartwood forming oaks and castanea sativa.
Again, all that research is on dead wood, and agreed fistulina may live on 
for some time in the stumps and timber it is always in an impoverished state 
and never having big healthy fruitbodies as would be associated with the 
living hosts. Also no references indicate the uncontrolled growths instigated 
by the fungus, no surprise as they also dont discuss even the possibility of 
a connection to exudate's at exit wounds, for that is what they are, it is 
wounding of once live tissues in order to fruit. (vinegars) orange hued 
stains in deadwood stubs within the canopy, or any connection to the body 
languages associated with late and even mid stage cavity development, 
anything from necroses, burrs, and inoculations. ALL of which you will see in 
the best examples one or more of which youll see in 30-50% of oaks in a given 
local population.
I see it as a very different organism to references stated
bar the reference mentioned that i have not seen, the others are of too 
little value to me or in fact in any real terms for a prognosis knowing what 
I know from in field, THOUSANDS of evaluations observations including many 
failures.
and i meant no disrespect to the authors, ive found those books invaluable to 
my development.
Thanks Tony,

Boddy and Rayner
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-8137.1983.tb04871.x/abstract

Regards

Luke



                                          


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