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RE: Failure Potential of Dead Trees

Subject: RE: Failure Potential of Dead Trees
From: antony croft
Date: Mar 14 2012 19:28:05

I think Mathecks principle is essentially correct on standing deadwood, but 
also widely over emphasised in practice, what I mean is if taken literally 
and absolute no stump would ever be left any higher than 2 metres!

Mattheck loves nature as much as any of us, and doubt he would want to see 
everystump cut to 2 metres but had to set the line at a basic principle! To 
be certain I will ask him in May at the seminar!


There is a dead oak near my mothers house that has been dead all my life, it 
still has all its limbs! im 40 in june!


But that birch riddled with piptoporus betulinus on the other hand? 


I think it is relatively straight forward keeping deadwood in the environment 
even the urban context, David Humphries manages it very well with 7 million 
foot falls a year! (kenwood gate)

case by case isnt it?


tony

From: dscottcul@xxxx.net
To: uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
Subject: Re: Failure Potential of Dead Trees
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:22:03 -0400


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Edmund Hopkins 
  To: UK Tree Care 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:01 AM
  Subject: RE: Failure Potential of Dead Trees




  -----Original Message-----
  From: Scott Cullen [mailto:dscottcul@xxxx.net] 
  Sent: 14 March 2012 14:53
  To: UK Tree Care
  Subject: Re: Failure Potential of Dead Trees


    

    SC Both the fallen or felled stuff and leaving a standing dead stump 
fall under an entirely separate set of considerations.  Risk assessment and 
management are one thing.  Ecological management of stumps and debris is 
another.  In both there are landowner decisions to be made.  It is not 
clear to me that management of risk should be subordinated to retention of 
woody debris.  I should think on a community or population scale they could 
be well balanced.  On a single property scale they may be incompatible.


  EH Well I would not subordinate the management of risk to an ecological 
objective either. But sawn lumps walk, burn, roll down hills, fling 
themselves into roads, also steal away. Long lengths generally do none of 
these things.

  SC2 There are some exceptions.  I never got very enthused about skiing 
because even standing trees would fling themselves in front of me.  Quite 
bothersome :)







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