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RE: Safety Inspections and Ivy/Undergrowth

Subject: RE: Safety Inspections and Ivy/Undergrowth
From: Paul Muir
Date: May 16 2012 17:50:13
No one has mentioned the implications for the longevity of a tree beyond the 
mature phase when the crown is heavily covered in ivy...live crown growth 
pushed out to the periphery and complete suppression of lower crown internal 
epicormic growth and reiterations imply no prospects for crown retrenchment 
to develop - either naturally as part of an individual tree's life strategy, 
or managed through a (contentious) phased pruning regime.

We potentially lose hundreds of years of amenity for specific individual 
trees as a result of allocating a perceived value to the (not so rare) 
habitat offered by ivy. 


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-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Ross [mailto:trees@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk] 
Sent: 16 May 2012 16:53
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: Safety Inspections and Ivy/Undergrowth


On 16/05/2012 12:00, Ian Brewster wrote:
IB: I recall an Ivy smothered Holly, after severance, the tree remains 
'sickly looking' after 20 years reprieve.

Bill: Doesn't that suggest it wasn't the Ivy causing the 
sickly-looking-ness Ian?

Yes, and perhaps to be regarded more as an indicator of a tree already in 
the throws of decline by other forces at work.

IMO the close growing plant relationship is more likely to be a new plants 
exploitation of whatever the decay causing fungi may be giving back to the 
immediate surround ground as a recycler of its affected tree host. Is there 
likely to be an exchange of micro-nutrients from the pathogen to benefit 
the growth of Ivy/Elderberry/other self sown-close growing trees to assist 
in the mature trees' further rapid decline a) by their smothering antics b) 
direct competition for light/water/nutrient?

While ivy isn't generally a problem for the tree it's growing on (my phrase 
is that it's just a structural parasite), it's my observation that it can be 
more harmful more quickly for evergreens such as holly - on deciduous species 
it can generally grow quite happily for many years within the canopy of the 
host tree, where it has little effect. But on an evergreen it has to grow on 
the outside to find enough light and as a result will soon  impair the 
photosynthetic and eventually smother & suppress the host's foliage.
So evergreens where the ivy has been killed off or stripped out often look 
patchy and sparse.
(Admittedly, one would hope Ian's one would show some signs of recovery after 
20 years...)





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