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Re: BS5837-2012 - Combined Stem Diameter

Subject: Re: BS5837-2012 - Combined Stem Diameter
From: Luke Steer
Date: May 24 2012 21:40:03
Hi Tim and all,
How about ten times the diameter as in the 2005 version?

Over the last few years we've used a combination of both methods adopting 
what appears to be the most appropriate.


Regards
Luke Steer
Chartered Arboriculturist
Treescapes Consultancy Ltd.
Tel: 015394 34698
Mobile: 07734 113964
www.treescapesconsultancy.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Moya <Tim.Moya@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 21:29:59 
To: UK Tree Care<uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Reply-To: uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
Subject: RE: BS5837-2012 - Combined Stem Diameter

I think Paul has a point
My maths is not as good as it once was but it seems to me that there are some 
scenarios where the BS formula for more than 5 stems will give a result that 
makes no sense.
If you have a tree with one stem of 400mm and 4 stems of 100mm the first 
calculation will give a root protection radius (RPR) which represents the 
combined cross sectional area of the stem
If you add another stem of 100mm to the same tree and use calculation 2 you 
get an RPR of about 80% of the smaller tree
The resulting root protection area for calculation 2 will be about 65% of the 
smaller tree's RPA
If you increase the size of the larger stem to 600mm the result is that the 
RPA for calculation 2 is about half of that for calculation 1 (even though 
it’s a bigger tree)
For both the examples of calculation 2 above you would get a larger RPA by 
taking the largest stem and treating the tree as single stemmed - although 
this can't be the answer either.
One possibility would be to simply use the largest 5 stems and calculation 1 
where there is a one large and several small stems. It would give a better 
result
While not getting hung up on the maths is fair enough, the calculation in the 
BS surely has to work as a reliable guide. 

    TIM MOYA
      




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