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Re: BS 5837 (2012) annex D

Subject: Re: BS 5837 (2012) annex D
From: Scott Cullen
Date: Jun 30 2012 09:24:10

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Luke Steer 
  To: UK Tree Care 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:14 AM
  Subject: Re: BS 5837 (2012) annex D


  Hi Jon,
  We assess structural condition separately and also life expectancy which is 
based on a combination of both. 
  We developed this system for our own use and it works well. Each health 
class and structural condition class is described within the report.

  SC Some arbs shy away from life expectancy (generally or in a more formal 
SULE construction) because estimates are imprecise or uncertain.  IMO I don't 
know how you select trees for retention or management w/o considering life 
expectancy...based on health, structure, extent of construction impact and 
another variable:  species construction (root disturbance) tolerance.

  SC The tolerance variable is in the Matheny and Clark text and was I think 
based on an earlier BS5837.  I not through this thread somewhat 
interchangable use of vigour and vitality and I think that is common among 
arbs and the public, notwithstanding that some purists (including I think 
Shigo) insist vigour is genetic potential and vitality is specimen expression 
or condition.  So a purist might suggest tolerance is vigour and health is 
vitality.  I like Matheny & Clark's use of tolerance that is plainly 
meanigful and avoids the potential confusion.

  SC Looping back to life expectancy, what you do with the estimate can be 
variable.  It can be very useful on occasion to retain a tree with a short 
life expectancy (and structurally acceptable):  to provide scale or screen 
while new plantings grow into the site; or to be a place holder, a piece of 
ground that will accept a replacement later... may be easier to battle over 
that space for an existing tree than a replacement; or as part of the tree 
protection... that tree can serve as a traffic bollard, less likely to be 
removed than the fence as soon as you turn your back, may take some abuse but 
protect better retained trees beyond.  But I digress...

  Scott


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