Hi Simon and Alex,
I applaud your sentiment, but I still think that the most we can ask for
is a 'valid' tree survey, in order to be reasonable and as such, there's
enough ambiguity to account for the variables in that statement. I feel
it would be completely wrong to reject tree info on its age alone, as it
may still be entirely good information. I've seen many an old survey and
gone out on site to find it to be fine and pertinent. That is precisely
what I am here for ... To assess the quality and appropriateness of the
tree information submitted.
If you want to try to set constraints Alex, then look to the planning
system which, validates planning applications for 5 years however, a
person is perfectly entitled to resubmit all the same information to
renew their consent. What you will find is that people will just update
the date on the survey anyway. I really don't think that the age of
information should be part of the validation system ... Sorry. I am also
bearing in mind that we should not cause the applicant unnecessary
additional expense in the determination of their application.
Ron Howe
Principal Tree Officer
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 879 286
Website -www.molevalley.gov.uk
Please take a look at the new 2012 Tree Protection Regulations and
guidance
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/2127685.
pdf at: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2012/605/contents/made
-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Jones [mailto:Simon@xxxxxxxxx.co.uk]
Sent: 09 July 2012 16:58
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: BS re-survey timeframe?
Alex -
I have more than once thought it would be useful if in their local
validation requirements LPA's could make it clear that tree surveys
should be "current", or be no more than two or three years old.
In practice I usually ring the tree officer and check before submitting
an out of date survey: I have had one, two and three year old surveys
accepted, but never more than that if I recall correctly.
The truth of the matter is that if a site is heavily populated by
category A and B trees that are intolerant of disturbance, and abutting
or encroaching into RPAs is highly likely, even a one year old survey
might be inappropriate. Conversely, with a site full of category 'C'
trees and plenty of space, a four year old survey might be fine.
However, I would prefer it if LPAs would put a time limit in their
validation requirements, as it would make it clear to consultants and
developers from the outset what will be acceptable and what won't. Two
years gets my vote, but LPAs could always ask for a "current" survey,
with a footnote explaining that under normal circumstances this means 2
years, but on sites where the risk of damage to trees is particularly
high, the LPA might require an up to date survey........
I'm not sure I agree that this is something that should have appeared in
the revised BS: surely this is something for LPAs to decide on?
Regards, Simon
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Needs [mailto:aneeds@xxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk]
Sent: 09 July 2012 16:23
To: UK Tree Care
Cc: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: BS re-survey timeframe?
Thanks to all for your responses.
Alex
Mark Welby <arbor101@xxxxxxxxxxx.com<mailto:arbor101@xxxxxxxxxxx.com>>
06/07/2012 10:01 >>>
Gary,
We tend to update reports if it's one of ours. If we are taking on a
job with a survey by another consultant, we will draft a covering letter
to accompany the application.
Regards
Mark
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On 6 Jul 2012, at 09:54, "Gary Marsden "
<gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk<mailto:gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk>>
wrote:
Mark,
After you have made them complete a re-inspection of a site, do they
rewrite the whole report or attach a covering letter stating any changes
/ no change?
thanks
Gary Marsden
GM Tree Consultants
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From: Mark Welby [mailto:arbor101@xxxxxxxxxxx.com]
Sent: 06 July 2012 06:33
To: UK Tree Care
Cc: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: BS re-survey timeframe?
Alex,
We tend to recommend at least a re-visit after 12 months, just to
check tree condition and overall site conditions, if nothing else.
Doesn't cost the client too much and ensures that any documents are a
true representation of what's there at the time of application.
Regards
Mark
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On 5 Jul 2012, at 15:27, "Howe, Ron"
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wrote:
Hi Alex,
Personally Alex, I don't think you can put a standard time frame on
such matters and trying to fit everything into neat little boxes is
not always the answer. I think you need to think about what might
have
changed since the last survey ... Damage from adverse weather,
younger
trees maturing and even trees being removed and so on. I think a
year
old survey might be valid and you might just get away with two but
maybe three years up the line you have question it unless it is the
exact same development annnnnd, there's the rub, it depends on the
changes to the development doesn't it. Let's face it Alex, if you
get
a three year old survey in support of a proposal and find it
appropriate and valid then what's the problem????
Ron Howe
Principal Tree Officer
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 879 286
Website -www.molevalley.gov.uk
Please take a look at the new 2012 Tree Protection Regulations and
guidance
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/2127685.
pdf at: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2012/605/contents/made
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Needs [mailto:aneeds@xxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk]
Sent: 05 July 2012 13:29
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: BS re-survey timeframe?
Hello all,
I would be grateful for views from both public and private practice
as
to what is considered a reasonable timeframe for re-measurement of
trees to enable a tree survey for development, that provides
statistical constraint for designers and layouts, to be considered
current and enable impact of development on trees to be fairly
assessed (assuming a diverse tree population of both leaf and
needle).
The BS does not appear to make any reference to this quite important
issue.
Thanks,
Alex
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