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RE: Fungi ID question

Subject: RE: Fungi ID question
From: Alastair Durkin
Date: Aug 13 2014 08:16:37
Tony, I love trees. I suspect we all do on UKTC . But trees don't pay the 
bills, people do.

My job as a TO is helping to manage the relationship between people and 
trees, mainly within new or existing built form. Built form that pressurises 
our trees because we are a small island. If you look at the geographical 
spread of arb consultants and density of tree officers in the UK you will 
find that they tend to congregate in areas of the most dense population and 
development pressure. That is not a coincidence. There are professionals who 
specialise in the science of trees and their relationships with other non 
human organisms. They are called botanists, dendrologists and mycologists 
(amongst others). Hopefully most arbs will have some grasp of these related 
disciplines, but  as a TO I have to think about humans mainly. This sometimes 
means making decisions that may not be to the absolute benefit of the tree, 
but hopefully the balance is pretty good most of the time. This includes 
making TPOs when they are necessary to protect the tree from the humans, but 
very rarely otherwise, however attractive or old it is (apart from a few 
notable churchyard ancient Yews I've TPO'd.... just in case).

Alastair

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-----Original Message-----
From: Antony Croft [mailto:treewisperer@xxxxxxxx.co.uk]
Sent: 12 August 2014 20:49
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: Fungi ID question

Ignore the people element at my peril?
A lot of OUR jobs are dealing with that interface?

I think you may have missed my point, maybe subtle? There are MANY people who 
choose to see arboriculture that way, but what i am saying is that YOU alls, 
let that human element bias your true jobs, the No tpo is a blatant example.
We are tree experts, psycology and sales capabilities are reqired, but not 
primary, we are required to give a communications interface between trees and 
joe public, the way I see the current situation (subsidence, tpo's, 
conservation blah blah) is that it is all people centric, the trees have been 
put to one side, the people are now firmly and happily in full control, and 
most are pandering to the whims of the Joes.

If the system and its operators are doing so grand a job, why are so many 
trees dissapearing? Why are our most ancient and venarable trees falling? Why 
are immensley valuable trees "not worthy" why is britain the least forested 
country in Europe?
Why are we selling trees to the devil rather than singing their praises and 
protecting them from the slaughter?

Where are all the foresters of old, where did they go? because they would 
back me up.


From: arborconsulting@xxxx.com
To: uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
Subject: RE: Fungi ID question
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:27:50 +0100

I would agree Tony, many arboriculturist's appear to know little about 
decay fungi identification(myself included), therefore how can we make a 
determination on the fate of the tree..... Maybe concentrate on courses 
involving P&D........ My opinion only of course..........




Looking forward to David Lonsdale's gig in October.

There was a chap from Canada looking for somewhere to stay prior to the 
gig, I've lost the thread, but he's welcome to stay at Russell Ball's place 
as we are all going down together. If anyone can put me in touch I'd 
appreciate it.



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Subject: Re: Fungi ID question
From: andysmith12tree@xxxxxx.com
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:52:12 +0100
To: uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

Tony
I think you ignore the interface between trees and humans at your
peril, a lot of all our jobs is managing that interface Andy

Sent from my iPad

On 12 Aug 2014, at 17:37, Antony Croft <treewisperer@xxxxxxxx.co.uk> 
wrote:

Initialy it was personal observation (i tend to talk from personal 
observations as it is the only reliable truth, and I doubt EVERYTHING I 
am told until ive gone and had a look into it myself) However, it turns 
out that Gerrits work also confirms this, sadly he seems to have chosen 
to ignore the U.k which is a tragedy as he has an awfuly large 
contribution to make through his T.S.S.E work.

There are individuals out there that have little and not so little
pieces of a very large jigsaw that i am quite certain would push
arboriculture on ten fold if gathered togther in a book. (more
like a library!)

We tend as Arboriculturists to be too tree centred, and mostly with a 
human bias, other diciplines rarely seem to have to contend with the 
human distraction and hence tend to have a much more detailed and finer 
knowledge on highly relevant sciences to us.

The biology/ecology combination can tell us so much more than we 
currently recognise, yet 99.99% couldnt tell you what brackets are 
present let alone what that relationship can tell us.

tony> From: Ian.Brewster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk
To: uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 16:52:19 +0100
Subject: Re: Fungi ID question

As mentioned earlier the work of air spades has unexpectedly revealed 
a great deal including root reiteration. Not aware of certain Boletus 
reverting to  saptrotropism. Have you a reference  or would tis be  
from personal observation/both.
Regards
Ian Brewster
Arboricultural Manager

Sent from Blackberry

----- Original Message -----
From: Antony Croft [mailto:treewisperer@xxxxxxxx.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 03:37 PM
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: Fungi ID question

If I may be so bold, pore colour?

I would suggest Boletus radicans initialy, clues being stipe shape e.g 
rooted flared or spindle for examples. smell= boletus imoplitus the 
iodine bolete for example has the distinct smell of iodine in the 
stipe base.
As for boletes not being at the base, nonsense, there can be many fine 
reiterative roots at the base, and B.chrysenteron has been found by me 
at least to be growing as saprotroph after a beech at burnham failed, 
this is probably due to many fungi having not entirely given up their 
saprotroph capacities like say Amanitas or rusulas. Being a dependant 
myco has disadvantages as you can imagine, the mycorrhizaes that show 
up in late stage or old growth tend to be the ones that still have 
some saprotrophic capacities, as trees decline they are the 
indicators. It gets difficult where say the poisan pax shows up both 
as an establisher of young trees and as a late phase saprotrophic myco.

tony

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:42:09 +0100
From: trees@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk
To: uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
Subject: Re: Fungi ID question



On 12/08/2014 10:52, Ian Brewster wrote:
Would that be B. satanus per chance?

Best not test the hypothesis by tasting!
But that's got a pale coloured cap and a red stem, so probably
not the one Bettina described.
There are quite a few Boletes that turn blue(ish) when cut -  B.
badius, B. luridiformis and  B luridus to name three.





-----Original Message-----
From: Martyn Dickson [mailto:M.Dickson@xxxxx.ac.uk]
Sent: 12 August 2014 10:35 AM
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: Fungi ID question

Hi Ian, thanks for sharing your observations, Here in the botanics 
but we often find Bolete's under the trees canopy. And I don’t think 
there are many other species which bruise blue and fit Bettina's 
description.

Its great to share our experiences helps build better pictures of 
the natural world and its non-conformity.

Martyn


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