UKTC Archive

RE: tree surgeon

Subject: RE: tree surgeon
From: Alastair Durkin
Date: Dec 18 2014 09:20:47
You've got to be joking Tony? This chap was doing a job he was not qualified 
to do, and he was doing it badly. This resulted in his equally unqualified 
mate being seriously injured. There are plenty of jobs that require unskilled 
labour that this chap could have been doing - climbing arborist is not one of 
them, and those who do work in this way do the industry a great disservice. 
The HSE is there to protect the 70 year old man footing the ladder, from 
himself, and from the donut at the top of the ladder. There are far less 
industrial accidents as a consequence of the HSE being in existence, and that 
is a good thing I reckon :-)

Alastair 

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Antony Croft
Sent: 17 December 2014 18:23
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: tree surgeon

A common law man i.e non "corporation soul, all Capitalized names with Mr 
title" has the right to commerce (work)  I agree he owes the injured co 
worker a great deal, but it is out of order that HSE can and do impose what 
is basically a tax on individuals who have a basic human right to work 
(commerce) No one here will agree with such a controversial statement Im sure 
least not till Englands money printing/extortion/laundering and other darn 
right dodgy deals. brings the U.K to its knees and we all need to "make a 
living" however so we can!
Longest serving fiat currency is the pound, 600 fiat currencies have failed 
since the greeks! none survived, food for thought next time we have an 
opportunity to knock a guy for doing a days work in a society that cant 
support  70 year old after years of taxation!
tony
From: arbor@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk
To: uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
Subject: RE: tree surgeon
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:49:44 +0000

Shame they are included in the statistics. give our profession a bad name!

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of mark
Sent: 17 December 2014 14:15
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: tree surgeon

I guess the bottom line is the answer to the question is 'being a Tree 
Surgeon' a profession or an activity? To the bulk of the general public 
cutting bits off a tree makes an individual a 'Tree Surgeon' we would of 
course beg to differ - but we are the minority. There are still plenty of 
odd job men types out there that regularly cut bits off trees and seem to 
survive by pure idiot luck. The public and the media may well consider them 
experienced tree surgeons simply because they haven't managed to kill 
themselves yet!

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Daniel Wynn
Sent: 17 December 2014 10:45
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: tree surgeon

Ha! I started working with trees with a highly experienced woodsman who cut 
a long wide plank and laid it over the loader tines of a David Brown 
selectamatic and instructed me, a 17 year old spotty oik with no driving 
experience, to raise him up by operating two separate levers to keep him 
level, so that he could remove huge low limbs of trees bordering the 
estate's arable fields. I shudder at the risks we took, which were quite 
acceptable back then. That was 30 odd years ago. The woodsman must have 
been in his 50s back then. 

So a 70 year old tree surgeon, and by god he's still at it in his 70s 
people, is probably doing what he's always done - bad it may be, but 
context......  


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Alastair 
Durkin
Sent: 17 December 2014 10:26
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: tree surgeon

Well, he was experienced at undertaking works in accordance with poor 
practice. That's not the same as being an experienced tree surgeon. I 
suppose the HSE just didn't want to describe him as a being complete 
cowboy, which it seems he was. The Inspector did allude to this in his 
statement, saying something along the lines that it was very surprising 
that a similar accident had not happened before, considering his lack of 
knowledge and skills. Thankfully there are less and less of these sorts of 
contractors knocking around, as there is much better consumer advice 
available and trees surgery qualifications and training has improved.

Alastair

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Sean Davies
Sent: 17 December 2014 10:03
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: tree surgeon

Whilst I sympathize with the families reading through this I noticed this 
was an experienced tree surgeon, who no ppe, no qualification, and no 
knowledge of good practice, but still an experienced tree surgeon.

http://press.hse.gov.uk/2014/essex-tree-surgeon-in-court-after-chainsa
w-fall
-onto-worker/?ebul=hsegen&cr=8/17-nov-14

so the question is what actually defines an experienced tree surgeon as a 
tree surgeon, but I guess anyone can state this and with no regulation its 
only customers and trees that suffer.


Sean Davies
Arboreal officer
Neighbourhood Services
T: 01623 XXXXXX
E: sdavies@xxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk

Mansfield District Council
Civic Centre
Chesterfield Road South
Mansfield
Notts
NG19 7BH
W: www.mansfield.gov.uk


______________________________________________________________________
__

This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended 
solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
If you have received this email in error please notify the sender.
______________________________________________________________



--
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC is supported by Bosky Trees
http://www.boskytrees.co.uk/


Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Save paper.

Visit http://www.tandridge.gov.uk for information about services, online 
forms, payments and much more.

________________________________
IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential.
They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received 
this email in error, please inform the sender immediately and do not 
disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof.

This message has been scanned for viruses.



--
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC is supported by Bosky Trees
http://www.boskytrees.co.uk/

**********************************************************************
This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended 
solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 
If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager.  

This footnote also confirms that this email message has been checked for 
the presence of computer viruses.

Lewes District Council

Make a difference - reduce your waste.  
Please do not print this email unless absolutely necessary.
**********************************************************************




--
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC is supported by Bosky Trees
http://www.boskytrees.co.uk/





--
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC is supported by Bosky Trees
http://www.boskytrees.co.uk/




--
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC is supported by Bosky Trees
http://www.boskytrees.co.uk/
                                          


--
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC is supported by Bosky Trees
http://www.boskytrees.co.uk/



-- 
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC is supported by Bosky Trees
http://www.boskytrees.co.uk/