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Subject: RE: AA & ISA
From: Phillip Ellis
Date: Dec 08 2015 09:17:24
Like Edmond I have little knowledge of ISA only to say some of the papers in 
the journal are useful.
The AA did some years ago seriously consider joining up with ISA but after a 
year they decided not to and cannot remember the reasons why.

-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Edmund Hopkins
Sent: 08 December 2015 08:28
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: AA & ISA

I admit to knowing almost nothing about the ISA and do feel a bit parochial 
about that, but I am very encouraged by the performance of the AA right 
across the board after some difficult years and see no case for it to be 
engulfed by the American organisation, despite the tag 'international'. How 
many UK members does the ISA have, and where exactly is the competition 
between the two bodies?

-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Jerry Ross
Sent: 07 December 2015 16:57
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: AA & ISA

On 07/12/2015 16:03, Tom Thompson wrote:

I missed that as well.

My comments were not passing any judgement on either organisation, although 
I was frustrated with the length of time it has taken.  It is however 
important to take the time to do things correctly.

I was just suggesting that there are a lot of AA members on this forum, 
significantly more than there are ISA members. So it was a suitable place 
to discuss the matters raised.

I'm a member of both but essentially an AA man, keeping up with ISA largely 
for their Journal.
The problem (if it is one) is that ISA, although overwhelmingly American in 
emphasis and approach, is the leading (well the largest anyway) arb. 
body in the wider world, with over 21,000 members. The AA has about
2,000 (numbers courtesy of Wikipedia).
'We' can't compete, simply in terms of the amount of money available to an 
organisation with that number of members;  but neither would it be sensible 
to try as the more bodies there are claiming to represent us, the more 
fragmented is our voice.
So the the question is how can the AA & the ISA join forces without the 
former being swamped and taken over by an organisation ten times as big?
I don't know but I'm sure that's what ongoing discussions between AA & ISA 
are all about - ensuring that while the "the administration of (UK
ISA) membership is managed locally" and effectively by the AA, that the AA 
also continues to retain its own character and values.


-----Original Message-----
From: "Tim Scott-Ellis" <>
Sent: ‎07/‎12/‎2015 14:14
To: "UK Tree Care" <>
Subject: AA & ISA

Dear all,

Once again I eat humble pie.  I suppose I should read my emails...

I have been told by several that the message below was in the e-news...

Apologies all round.

Following the disbanding of the ISA UK & Ireland Chapter (UK&I) 
earlier this year, the ISA undertook a survey of its membership within 
the United Kingdom and Ireland during the summer of 2015. We are 
advised that results from the survey indicated that the majority of 
those members and credential holders were in favour of the 
administration of their membership being managed locally, by another 
UK-based arboricultural organisation; the ISA consequently approached the 

The AA is in discussion with the ISA and is considering the benefits 
of an alliance to our existing and future membership and the global 
networks which could be provided. Please watch out for updates as to 
progress regarding this matter and more detailed communications in the 
next few weeks. For now, membership for the former Chapter members and 
Certifications are being managed by ISA International.

On a related note, the AA has filled the void left by the absence of 
the UK&I chapter by taking over the full membership of the European 
Arboricultural Council, to ensure that all United Kingdom and Ireland 
arboriculturists are represented at this level.


*Karen Martin*
CEO, The Arboricultural Association

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