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Re: New guy from the Isle of Man

Subject: Re: New guy from the Isle of Man
From: Julian Morris
Date: Dec 27 2015 18:52:50
Trimble's a bit pants under canopy but it won't give you a fix until it has 5 
or 6 satellites. No GPS is ever going to be a substitute for a benchmarked 
topo survey, despite what some clients expect. Best approximation is using a 
Trupulse to plot trees form a suitable clearing or other vantage point where 
you have  a  good signal.

I'll try KeyTREE. I'm not wanting 3D autocad anyway. I share your pain, I am 
currently working with 5 different computers for various systems I have, Mac 
OS, Windows 8, Vista, XP, WM5 and WM6. 

Julian A. Morris
Professional Tree Services
0141 XXX XXXX - 0778 XXX XXXX

Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 at 7:24 PM
From: "Ben Brooker" <>
To: "UK Tree Care" <>
Subject: Re: New guy from the Isle of Man

Thank you all, for the warm welcome.

Bill - nice one, I like that piece of advice.

Jim - thanks for the info relating to the AA courses. I am definitely keen 
to get some courses under my belt this coming year and the 5837 courses 
look great. Jeremy Barrel had mentioned an 'aspiring consultants’ course… 
is this the series of 5837 courses or something different?

Julian - I don’t have anything to compare it to but KeyTREE LT is working 
just fine for me. Yes, a complete version of Autocad is included in the 
programme, but I’m guessing it’s a 2D version rather than the architecture 
package. The user interface created by the developers (KeySOFT) is very 
straight forward and i have found the support to be excellent. It is only 
available on Windows OS (which was a pain seeing as I run everything on Mac 
and meant i had to buy a Windows machine) but does only require 4gb RAM 
compared to recommend 8gb for architectural Autocad. There is a 14 day 
trial of the full version of KeyTREE here: 
How accurate is the Trimble under a dense canopy?

Merry Christmas and best wishes from the wet and windy Isle of Man.



T: 07624 XXXXXX


On 24/12/2015, at 9:25 am, Julian Morris <> wrote:

Welcome to UKTC, it tends to be very english/welsh based, with occasional 
faorys into Scotland by me and Northern Ireland by one person. We now 
have full coverage, apart maybe from Channel Islands. It'll be 
interesting to see if practices and pest are any different on the Isle of 

I'll be looking into that Keytree LT, if the price includes Autocad then 
that's quite a good deal and solution. I mostly use Trimble GPS, Pocket 
GIS and MiniCAD.

Julian A. Morris
Professional Tree Services
0141 XXX XXXX - 0778 XXX XXXX

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 6:19 PM
From: "Ben Brooker" <>
To: "UK Tree Care" <>
Subject: New guy from the Isle of Man


I’ve just joined the list so thought I’d send a message to see how it 

My name’s Ben, I studied arb at Merrist Wood form 2000 to 2002 and have 
worked in few different countries doing mainly climber / crew leader / 
estimator type work. I recently finished my ABC level 4 Diploma in Arb 
with Tree Life AC in Syston and have starting providing consultancy 
services along side the usual tree surgery stuff.

I have found there are so many Facebook groups and pages catering to 
tree surgery / arborist discussion (slagging) but nothing for genuine 
arboricultural discussion, so I hope I’ve found the right place here.

As i said, I’ve been working with trees for 15 years but only really 
started in consultancy. My level 4 Arb course was amazing and gave me 
the next level knowledge but offered very little i terms of recording 
tree data and manipulating the data with software as to produce drawings 
etc. All of this I have had to figure out myself, with very little 
online information available.

Because I’m self employed, and the tree surgery work still pays most of 
the bills, I’ve had to build my methods of surveying on a boot string. 
This is how I currently carry out surveys:

I bought a laser measuring tool from eBay for around £30. It is plenty 
accurate enough for measuring crown spread and reasonable at measuring 
height, providing you have a good high spot to bounce the laser off.
I use my iPad to input the data into a free app by GIScloud. The app 
requires that you setup a free account and then allows you to build your 
forms. The data can be collected offline and is then upload to ‘the 
cloud’ when you get to wifi. It is a really robust system and allows you 
export the data as CSV.
I have a Garmin bluetooth GPS / GLANOSS receiver (£67) which links to 
the iPad and allows coordinates to be attached to the tree data but it 
is not accurate, so I either use the topo for tree position or bring out 
the old paper and pen… this is the weak link in my system.
Once i have exported my CSV data I import it into KEYTree LT (£230 per 3 
months or £1500 ish outright). This software includes a stand alone 
version of Autocad and plots all of m crown spreads and RPAs, calculates 
my RPA incursions and categorises my trees by colour as per BS5837. It 
took a few hours, and lots of coffee, to get my head around but it is 
great as i can concentrate on my report instead of my drawing.

I’m guessing that the above may be obvious to many of you, but it is a 
break through for me, given the lack of info available online, and my 
slim budget.

Why is there so little info for arb constants? Is it because the 
industry is so young or that we like to keep our methods to ourselves.

Anyway, that’s me, thanks for reading. I will happily take an advice or 
feedback you can give. Or even if you wanted to drop me a message with a 
view to sharing ideas and info in the future, that would be great.

Merry Christmas.


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