UKTC Archive

Re: M6 widening

Subject: Re: M6 widening
From: Tim Scott-Ellis
Date: Oct 12 2017 15:32:04
I have replied to the LA/Ecologists asking for lots of clarifications
including what their arb input will be and by whom.  I await their answer...

On 12 October 2017 at 16:04, Bill Anderson <anderson.arb.original@xxxxxx.com>
wrote:

As Tim Scott Ellis's post illustrates; you should really be complaining
that Landscape Artichokes/Ecologists seem to consider themselves capable of
undertaking this work. You can bet your bottom dollar that if an Arb said
oh "don't worry about the Landscape/Ecology matters; I'll do em" there'd be
questions in the house.

Personally I'm getting quite agitated at some of the reports that I come
across; one quite well-known Ecological consultancy in Sheffield have the
nerve to write in their BS5837 reports "needs to be inspected by an
Arboriculturist....." I suspect that half the reason they never get
questioned is because the Landscape guys in the Town Halls don't want to
cross the guys they trained with!

I've just had my approach to BS5837 questioned by a Planner; I've pointed
out that I'm qualified to interpret BS5837 and he isn't. Should make sure
I'm popular.....

Bill.

On 12 October 2017 at 14:15, David Bailey <oldoaktree@xxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:

To be fair,

I've now had an answer back from Adam Morrall, someone with an
unfathomable job title, of Carillion Kier who are doing the work.

He tells me not to worry and that they have qualified tree professionals
and experienced engineers excavating close to trees. He also asked where
in
particular I had concerns and that he would pass on comments to the
appropriate department.

So good on them for replying in a timely fashion, but to be quite honest,
tree consideration on this whole project is an omnishambles.

It would be nice to see the relevant LPAs go total gangster on these
people because looking at their justification, from the offset, there
doesn't seem to have been any consideration of the trees.

I know there are no massively decent trees here and there are only a few
trees that have had serious amounts of root severance, but this is
dangerous next to one of the busiest roads in Europe and talk about
advertising rubbish tree protection on a massively visible infrastructure
project in this day and age.

Now they want me to tell them where the problems are!

Pro bono Dave!


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info [mailto:uktc-request@lists.
tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Jerry Ross
Sent: 12 October 2017 07:26
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: M6 widening

Try
Jim.OSullivan@xxxxxxxxx.gsi.gov.uk
He's the CEO.
(located at  https://www.ceoemail.com/s.php?id=ceo-12027 )



On 11/10/2017 20:47, David Bailey wrote:
I sent a message to 'info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk' which was the only
e-mail I could find on their web site.

It is such a general e-mail address, I'd be surprised if it got
anywhere
useful!

Cheers

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of kevin
greenstreet
Sent: 11 October 2017 20:07
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: M6 widening

Anybody have a contact?
Thanks in advance folks

Sent from my iPhone

On 11 Oct 2017, at 19:30, elsteadbysea <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
wrote:

Highways England


Kind regards
Phillip Ellis
Sent from Samsung tablet.
-------- Original message --------From: kevin greenstreet
<kevingreenstreet@xxxxxxxx.co.uk> Date: 11/10/2017  19:25  (GMT+00:00)
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> Subject: Re: M6 widening
Who
is responsible for the M6 project just out of interest?

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 Oct 2017, at 12:46, David Bailey <oldoaktree@xxxxxxxxx.net>
wrote:

As most of you know, the M6 is being widened from Junction 16 to 19
through Staffordshire and Cheshire.

I was a passenger in a car going through it yesterday and was able to
have a gander at what was actually going on.

Some of the excavations to create this new lane (which no-one will
use
because they think it is below them to drive on the inside lane of a 4
lane
motorway) are to within 1 to 2 metres of some quite large trees, at a
point
where I would say that structural stability is at risk.

To be fair, all of the trees are your usual motorway-side species of
perhaps no more than 40 years age, but I am amazed that such a large
project has not had, or has not listened to the input of an
arboriculturist. Obviously these trees needed removing before the main
work
started, but you get the impression that trees have not been considered
at
all throughout the whole site, particularly on the south-bound
carriageway.

I recon a few of the trees would reach the current carriageway which,
you would of thought, might have sparked some sort of interest from
anyone
with a shred of common sense.

Cheers

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Howe, Ron
Sent: 10 October 2017 12:30
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: More than 8 weeks

I quite often get customers moaning that they have been waiting 2
months for their application to be determined, only to find when I check
for the application, that that the contractor hasn't yet done it or has
only just put in, and, that the contractor has told the customer that
it's
the Council's fault because it takes 8 weeks. The contractor then pleads
for a quick response. We oblige where possible.

As I'm having a bad day; If people fail to appreciate our hard work,
then the app' can take 7 weeks and 30 days to issue! ... ... So, what’s a
reasonable amount of time for a contractor to process an application for
a
customer? If you want to beat us with a stick, we have bigger ones!
Especially as I can phone the customer and tell them that we have not
received and application!

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info [mailto:uktc-request@lists.
tree-care.info] On Behalf Of "Eddie Butler"
Sent: 09 October 2017 11:14
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: More than 8 weeks

Hi Mark
Agreed- and I have done just that several times.
I should know that of course as I'm in the trade, but the wording of
the letter from this L.A. would suggest to a member of the public that
the
L.A.
has the unilateral discretion to extend the determination time beyond
8 weeks if it deems it necessary.
A bit naughty, no?

Eddie

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 4:58 PM
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: More than 8 weeks

Eddie - your option after 8 weeks - if no extension period has been
agreed - is to appeal on the grounds of non-determination.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of "Eddie
Butler"
Sent: 13 March 2017 14:28
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: More than 8 weeks

One of my local Authorities is including the following statement
contained within the acknowledgement letter sent back to the applicant on
receipt of a 1App (TPO).



'The statutory period within which decisions are issued, is eight
weeks.
However, applications to carry out works to trees on neighbouring
properties, or where the proposed work is likely to attract considerable
public interest will take longer.  This is because we will need to
consult
with interested parties.'



It is followed by a set determination date (which is exactly 8 weeks
after the Application date) and the usual info regarding PINS appeal
process etc.



I was not aware that an application could take longer than 8 weeks to
determine unless a time extension was agreed by both L.A. and Applicant.

Rather than do my own diligent research, I thought I'd feed it to the
collective for usual the rigorous examination.



Regards,

Eddie Butler



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