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Re: Network Rail - Between 10 and 50 000 leaves per tree

Subject: Re: Network Rail - Between 10 and 50 000 leaves per tree
From: Bill Anderson
Date: May 16 2018 08:34:50
I don't think that's what Neil is trying to say Alastair and it's certainly
not what I mean. These projects, despite appearances, have probably been
planned for ages and in the leaves-on-the-line cases, been known about for
years. People being put out-of-work just because of some last-minute press
furore doesn't really seem fair to me at all. Yeah there are questions to
be asked of Network Rail, but none of this is a surprise; it's been going
on for years. I don't like it (the leaves on the line thing) but I can see
how we've got to be where we are.

And I don't like the situation whereby large employers (like Network Rail)
can lay off their guys more or less at whim either, which does seem to be
what Neil is suggesting.

On 16 May 2018 at 09:15, Alastair Durkin <ADurkin@xxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk> wrote:

Bill, I'm sorry but the idea that an organisation should be able to do
whatever they want at the expense of all else in order to ensure continued
employment of workers is just bonkers. If there is a question to be asked
then it should be.


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info [mailto:uktc-request@lists.
tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Bill Anderson
Sent: 15 May 2018 13:14
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: Network Rail - Between 10 and 50 000 leaves per tree

I'm with Neil on the workers' front. I don't think it's entirely fair for
a hard working arb's livelihood to be affected by a load of uninformed and
near-hysterical objectors. Hopefully they've all got other tasks to perform
but I sympathise. Not that I think Network Rail are without fault, these
matters should have been addressed a long time ago, but the Press whipping
up a situation is unlikely to help anybody in this case.....

On 15 May 2018 at 09:02, Alastair Durkin <ADurkin@xxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk> wrote:

Hi Neil

Any loss of jobs is of course regrettable, but that has nothing to do
with the justification or otherwise for Network Rail's course of
action. The exception for a statutory undertaker only extends to works
that are 'necessary' for the safe undertaking of the operation.
Therefore the methods now being adopted are arguable at the very least
if a TPO is in place. There is no reason why an LA should not make a
TPO on operational land if they believe that harm to amenity is being
caused by unnecessary works. That said, the chances of overall success
for the LA in retaining a TPO in such circumstances are probably slim.

Alastair


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info [mailto:uktc-request@lists.
tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: 14 May 2018 22:23
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: Network Rail - Between 10 and 50 000 leaves per tree

Another aspect of this story is that with all this misinformed
hysteria about NWR all vegetation clearance work has been suspended
until further notice due to ministerial intervention.

Lets hope this is short-term, because as we speak thousands of arb
contractors have been stood down across the UK.

That's the big guys and all the sub contractors they use effectively
laid off and losing money.

Please think about that before typing.


Also I thought the job of  tree officer was to administer the relevant
tree legislation/regs with impartial judgement.

Trying to make TPO's on the operational land of NWR is naive and
rather partisan if you ask me.

n



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I wonder what will happen if Network Rail undertake the clearance
work under the exception at Reg 14(1)(a)(iii)(aa)

I'm also sure I heard the head of Network Rail on radio 4 putting a
positive spin on the felling by saying that they were creating new
grassland habitats with wildflowers etc which was a good thing.

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An interesting development with this story.

"Bromley Council has taken steps to protect a group of mature
trackside trees that are likely to be targeted in the rail
operator’s plans to fell all ‘leaf-fall’ species."

https://tinyurl.com/y9hy8kwc

Cheers

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