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RE: Further Sheffield news; Police review.

Subject: RE: Further Sheffield news; Police review.
From: elsteadbysea@xxxxxxxxxxx.com
Date: Jun 30 2018 14:28:49
Bill

The stats are whatever the effort you put into looking after them and if you 
do nothing in a dry summer, likely lose a high proportion.
Long time since I have been involved in planting trees on a large scale. I 
remember back in 1976 when I was landscaping we lost 5% with a lot of effort 
in watering.
We used to pout a steel tube on the end of a hose and push it through the 
tree pit, it worked.

I agree Mr and Mrs Miggins with a new tree outside could easily take the bath 
water to it.

If it cost SCC an additional 700k then they need to think it through as the 
protests are not going to stop.
What is the point of saving roadside trees next to a woodland i.e. Rivelin 
valley.

Sounds like Amey are the winners all round!

Phillip

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> 
On Behalf Of Bill Anderson
Sent: 30 June 2018 15:09
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Further Sheffield news; Police review.

Hi Phillip. What are the stats for newly planted street trees dying?
(Nationwide I mean) I imagine they're depressing. Even without the unusually 
clement weather. Amey are currently trying to water what they've planted but 
I suspect the unusually dry spell will have beaten them. To be fair I think 
some of the protestors have started to realise that the best thing they can 
do for the cause of trees is to get out and water some newly planted ones. 
But it might be that some protestors think their cause is better served by 
seeing new trees die

Rod; according to some reports in the press a couple of weeks ago Sheffield 
aren't the biggest removers of trees (see 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5801627/Great-tree-massacre-Councils-cut-110-000-trees-desperate-bid-save-money.html
Sorry for the daily mail link but it was the first one to come up from a 
quick google.) But it seems the Sheffield case has generated the most 
protest. It could be just that Sheffield's protestors got the social media 
going best (or worst depending how you look at it) I'm pretty well convinced 
it wouldn't have got going at all had it not been for book-face.

As to the Police involvement, I really don't know what else you're supposed 
to do. Some of the protestors deliberately put themselves in harm's way.
What's an innocent chap supposed to do when some ill-informed protestor tries 
to stop him working? And apparently Sheffield Council have just had to pay 
Amey an extra £700k as a result of them being delayed..... Don't suppose much 
of that £700k will find it's way to the tree management side of things.

Bill.

On 29 June 2018 at 18:59, "Rod Leslie" <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> wrote:

As you say, what a surprise.

Obviously, noone asked the awkward question - as to whether the police 
should have told Amey & the Council to go away and sort themselves out 
before they would get seriously involved. Bluntly, if the police are 
needed for anything beyond traffic control you as a tree worker have 
got it wrong, and whatever the rights and wrongs of the arboriculture, 
Amey, the Council and the SYP will be taught as an exemplar of just 
how wrong you can get it for years to come.

Roderick Leslie

-----Original Message----- From: elsteadbysea@xxxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 4:38 PM
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: Further Sheffield news; Police review.


From what I saw in Sheffield last week the strength of feeling is 
going to see the policing issues continue.
One observation is that replacement trees I saw are dying!

Phillip


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Bill Anderson
Sent: 29 June 2018 15:43
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Further Sheffield news; Police review.

In case anyone's still interested:

http://www.southyorkshire-pcc.gov.uk/News-and-Events/News/20
18/June/Independent-Report-Makes-Recommendations-into-Polici
ng-of-Tree-Protests-in-Sheffield.aspx

The Police did nothing wrong it seems, and their response wasn't 
unfair or disproportionate. Who'd have guessed?

Bill.



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