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Re: Further Sheffield news; Police review.

Subject: Re: Further Sheffield news; Police review.
From: "Rod Leslie"
Date: Jun 30 2018 16:18:06
Bill - I'm sure you're right, though I don't think we should get too carried away with the social media effect - I remember a strong response to just 2 trees removed for the Golden Hill Tesco in Bristol in the 90s. And what's a guy meant to do when he's stopped working ? Well, the simple answer is don't get into that situation (though I'd stress it is highly unlikely to be the guy up the tree's fault !) At least in this case we have the bill to demonstrate why you need to get community support up front. The idea that these trees really belong to the contracts department of a County Council (which is effectively what is being said here) is where it all starts going wrong - that completely negates any idea of 'community' - but maybe that's the point - as maggie said, 'there's no such thing as society'.

Its interesting to see it playing out elsewhere - watching network rail from the train. They had a point over the tree issue, started out with really, crass brutal scorched earth which no operating contractor should have accepted to undertake, got visibly better - clearly putting a bit more time into addressing their real problems, but thinking about the impact - but behaved crassly over nesting bird concerns and end up not being able to work for at l;east 1/3rd of the year - again, how massive is that bill ?

Rod

-----Original Message----- From: elsteadbysea@xxxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 3:28 PM
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: Further Sheffield news; Police review.

Bill

The stats are whatever the effort you put into looking after them and if you do nothing in a dry summer, likely lose a high proportion. Long time since I have been involved in planting trees on a large scale. I remember back in 1976 when I was landscaping we lost 5% with a lot of effort in watering. We used to pout a steel tube on the end of a hose and push it through the tree pit, it worked.

I agree Mr and Mrs Miggins with a new tree outside could easily take the bath water to it.

If it cost SCC an additional 700k then they need to think it through as the protests are not going to stop. What is the point of saving roadside trees next to a woodland i.e. Rivelin valley.

Sounds like Amey are the winners all round!

Phillip

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> On Behalf Of Bill Anderson
Sent: 30 June 2018 15:09
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Further Sheffield news; Police review.

Hi Phillip. What are the stats for newly planted street trees dying?
(Nationwide I mean) I imagine they're depressing. Even without the unusually clement weather. Amey are currently trying to water what they've planted but I suspect the unusually dry spell will have beaten them. To be fair I think some of the protestors have started to realise that the best thing they can do for the cause of trees is to get out and water some newly planted ones. But it might be that some protestors think their cause is better served by seeing new trees die

Rod; according to some reports in the press a couple of weeks ago Sheffield aren't the biggest removers of trees (see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5801627/Great-tree-massacre-Councils-cut-110-000-trees-desperate-bid-save-money.html Sorry for the daily mail link but it was the first one to come up from a quick google.) But it seems the Sheffield case has generated the most protest It could be just that Sheffield's protestors got the social media going best (or worst depending how you look at it) I'm pretty well convinced it wouldn't have got going at all had it not been for book-face.

As to the Police involvement, I really don't know what else you're supposed to do. Some of the protestors deliberately put themselves in harm's way. What's an innocent chap supposed to do when some ill-informed protestor tries to stop him working? And apparently Sheffield Council have just had to pay Amey an extra £700k as a result of them being delayed..... Don't suppose much of that £700k will find it's way to the tree management side of things.

Bill.

On 29 June 2018 at 18:59, "Rod Leslie" <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> wrote:

As you say, what a surprise.

Obviously, noone asked the awkward question - as to whether the police
should have told Amey & the Council to go away and sort themselves out
before they would get seriously involved. Bluntly, if the police are
needed for anything beyond traffic control you as a tree worker have
got it wrong, and whatever the rights and wrongs of the arboriculture,
Amey, the Council and the SYP will be taught as an exemplar of just
how wrong you can get it for years to come.

Roderick Leslie

-----Original Message----- From: elsteadbysea@xxxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 4:38 PM
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: Further Sheffield news; Police review.


From what I saw in Sheffield last week the strength of feeling is
going to see the policing issues continue.
One observation is that replacement trees I saw are dying!

Phillip


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Bill Anderson
Sent: 29 June 2018 15:43
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Further Sheffield news; Police review.

In case anyone's still interested:

http://www.southyorkshire-pcc.gov.uk/News-and-Events/News/20
18/June/Independent-Report-Makes-Recommendations-into-Polici
ng-of-Tree-Protests-in-Sheffield.aspx

The Police did nothing wrong it seems, and their response wasn't
unfair or disproportionate. Who'd have guessed?

Bill.



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