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RE: Tree hazard potential assessment study ENGLAND To Fell or Not to Fell Questions From a Foreigner

Subject: RE: Tree hazard potential assessment study ENGLAND To Fell or Not to Fell Questions From a Foreigner
From: Tim Errington
Date: Jul 01 2018 21:22:07
Wayne, you're a bold and brave man, every institution, organisation and 
association should be poked hard with a stick once in a while, a decent 
distraction from the world cup!


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[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Wayne Tyson
Sent: Monday, 2 July 2018 6:11 AM
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Tree hazard potential assessment study ENGLAND To Fell or Not to 
Fell Questions From a Foreigner

I was thinking of the recent mass-felling discussions but am interested in 
the forum's take on the fundamental issues other than the various formulaic 
devices.

Wayne

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 6:42 AM, Bill Anderson < 
anderson.arb.original@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

Of which particular cases are you enquiring Wayne? Sorry if I'm being 
obtuse here, it's not intentional.

On 1 July 2018 at 03:47, Wayne Tyson <wt750mv@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

Even though I have tried to carefully read all related posts and 
several news reports, I'm having a devil of a time teasing out 
specifics. Some journalists seem to be especially lax in providing 
details.

If we believe Henry Geiger's cautionary statement: "The more you
generalise
about a population, the less you know about any individual in that 
population," it is apparent that generalisations can be misleading.

I would like to know if any of the fellings were justified, and for 
what reasons.

I would like to know if any of the fellings were unjustified, and 
for
what
reasons.

That is, while I understand and embrace the emotional reasons for 
wanting to keep trees, I believe that it is the professional 
responsibility of those of us in the profession (in my case, *was*) 
to continue to hone our skills with respect to analysing potentially 
hazardous conditions as well as evaluating all relevant factors in 
determining tree stability. Just as overzealous and premature 
removals should not be based on emotion or selfish motivations, I 
likewise believe that it is our responsibility to
be
honest and scientific with respect to tree stability and 
instability. I also believe that some danger is inherent in trees, 
even those which
cannot
be determined to be potentially hazardous--I am confining my
investigations
to the *extreme* cases. Unfortunately, my study as turned up a 
surprising (to me) number of cases where tree instability was 
glaringly obvious
before
the failure, and frequently following actual inspections. This 
cannot be good for the profession.

I am also aware of the great burden this places on the tree-related 
professions, and the great difficulty of drawing the line between 
stable and unstable. Unfortunately, some apparently believe the 
solution is to evade that responsibility, and I believe that such an 
attitude (not to mention the practise of evasion) is unprofessional, 
and sometimes
downright
dishonest. (Mind you, I get this impression largely from my
investigations
in the US. Some of these investigations are based on actual 
inspections; others are based on reports, photographs, and other 
on-line *evidence*,
not
testimony--which is often quite wrong. Such conclusions always must 
be tentative, but the latter evidence, when I rely upon it is always 
quite
obvious.)

Wayne



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