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RE: Tree professionalism WAS London tree WAS Tree hazard potential assessment study BREAKS Close calls

Subject: RE: Tree professionalism WAS London tree WAS Tree hazard potential assessment study BREAKS Close calls
From: Jim Quaife
Date: Jul 09 2018 08:27:25
Many years ago I had the pleasure of sitting next to Sir Louis Blom-Copper 
(pivotal in the Dr Meadows case where a doctor strayed from his professional 
discipline by talking about probability in evidence) and I asked him what he 
regarded as a definition of a profession?
His answer was succinct:
The ability to complain.
That simple statement is beautifully precise because (assuming that a 
complaint made to the professional association is dealt with properly) for a 
complaint procedure to be exercised there has to be a whole raft of policies, 
procedures, controls, standards and administration in place.
I have yet to hear a better definition.
Jim

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[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Michael Richardson
Sent: 08 July 2018 20:42
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: Tree professionalism WAS London tree WAS Tree hazard potential 
assessment study BREAKS Close calls

I think one of the huge issues is that the terms professional and 
professionalism are not well understood and organizations such as ISA has 
co-opted the terms and lead hands-on tradesman (working tree people) to 
believe there limited skill set is enough to consult etc.  Professional 
refers to a person or job that requires lots of specialized education and 
professionalism to the traits needed.  Tree workers do not have this, nor do 
most arborists, consulting arborists etc.

When you consider that a tree (an autotroph) is in many ways more complicated 
compared with a human (hetertroph) surely an understanding of trees, biology, 
physiology, mycology, physics, and mechanics is needed to have any hope of 
being a good tree risk assessor.  Further this knowledge, gathered through 
extensive study, must be supplemented with experience.

Arborists generally don't know that they don't know!

Michael Richardson B.Sc.F., BCMA
Ontario MTCU Qualified Arborist
Richardson Tree Care
Richardsontreecare.ca
613-475-2877
800-769-9183

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On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Wayne Tyson <wt750mv@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

 Thank you, Michael, for the highly *responsive* reply to my enquiry!
Unfortunately the tommyrot of which you speak is widespread here in 
the US too.

When I was in the consulting business and working for various 
agencies, it was my practice to retain people who knew what I didn't 
know--in fact, I would even call in people who were better than I even 
when I knew quite a bit about a particular subject. When I took a 
course in Business Law, the professor said that he was going to teach 
us how to know when we needed a lawyer and when we didn't. It would 
seem to me that the arborist profession would enhance its reputation 
if it drew the crucial distinctions between knowledge and presumption, 
practice and sound theory (as synthesized
knowledge) in action (educated observation), and pat answers vs enquiry.
*Understanding* has no substitute; still it is always incomplete. I 
question my own assumptions before questioning those of others, but 
questioning a person who truly understands is always welcome.

Thank you also, for the recommended references. However, if I buy one 
more book, my wife may divorce me for raiding our retirement fund 
again. And, my cup runneth over. I may well run the risk in this case, 
however.

Wayne

PS: While I can barely spel mycologist, I hope I know when I need one. 
If I didn't have radar, I might resort to a mallet, followed by an 
increment borer, or approved substitute. If radar was available, that would 
be best.
But I see this case as a shot across the bow--they should call you in 
before another one of those old, old trees kills someone. Oh yes, I 
almost forgot--would you and the crew care to discuss the common 
misconceptions found in arborist's reports such as "The tree was 
perfectly healthy but was rotten inside." And "The wind (or God, or 
softened soil, or the uptake of water adding weight, ad nauseam) *caused* 
the tree to fall?



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