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RE: Subsidence

Subject: RE: Subsidence
From: Jim Quaife
Date: Dec 05 2018 11:32:57
I recall staying with (arb) friends in California and noted a crack in an 
external wall that I could just get by finger into. "Oh yes, that's 
subsidence from the two live oaks in the yard".
JQ - "so what are you going to do about it?"
Answer, "We'll fill it when we have a moment."
We also looked at a subsiding house (due to trees) where they had set up an 
irrigation system.  This was in a "moneyied" zone where the lawns were all 
bright green from regular watering.
In the UK we are probably the most besotted with house ownership in the 
world.  That's fine but a house is seen as much as an investment as a home, 
and anything - ANYTHING - that might devalue it is seen as a major prob.
Consequently a crack in a wall is seriously bad news, and even 
inconsequential ones are reported to insurers.  That modern houses are built 
like potato crisps (brittle) doesn't help, and insurers will not put reliance 
upon irrigation because:
1. Humans would forget to turn the tap on, and
2. When you want to turn the tap on there will be a hosepipe ban! 
Ho-hum!
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Howe, Ron
Sent: 05 December 2018 10:29
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: Subsidence

I've seen recent movement from Aviva to the effect that they are taking many 
claims less seriously than in the past. On the basis most buildings move and 
crack they are asking people to be less fussy and to get on with life and 
repair the damage because, the building isn't falling down or hasn't lost its 
water tightness. We have, over the years lost our tolerance to buildings 
moving and cracking when, in older days, we would just accept it and get on 
with life after superficial repair ... the pedantic and snowflake generations!

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Jim Quaife
Sent: 05 December 2018 09:52
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Subsidence

I note that the news is that this autumn has been the worst for subs in for 
years.
The BBC website has a new article about it with a Getty stock photograph of a 
cracked brick wall.
The complier obviously looked for a photo of a wall with a crack in it - I am 
not a structural engineer but that ain't subsidence!
Jim


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46440517



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