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Re: {SPAM?}RE: Ben's Red Oak photo 1

Subject: Re: {SPAM?}RE: Ben's Red Oak photo 1
From: BENJAMIN FUEST
Date: Dec 18 2018 17:49:12
 bangers and mash for tea tonight, so must dash but befor I forget. Here's a 
theory for you. I read the word Genetics in a post just now and it got me to 
think this.What if the shape size and everything about the tree was pre 
determined at seed stage. However given its close proximity to the Ash tree 
it was denide pre programed course and formed as was. Remmoval of the Ash has 
enabled the tree to revert to factory setting, and its placing the limbs in 
there correct places as pre determind. Are genetics so refined as to pre 
ditermin the arcitecture of the tree. Is it capable of self correction sort 
of thing. Not very scientific but hey ho.
    On Tuesday, 18 December 2018, 17:20:34 GMT, BENJAMIN FUEST 
<uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> wrote:  
 
  Absolutly, I was just discusing tension and compresion in the kitchen using 
my arm as branch and was talking just as you  say its primerly a responce to 
gravity ie forces in the vertical plane. In my experiance, limited, a branch 
grows out the side of the tree and all bar the odd bend continues to grow in 
that direction, The exit from the stem to branch should pretty much remain in 
the same place and and I m confident we would all agree the branch is not a 
ball and socket fit. Yet it would appere that these branches are moving 
lateraly, so I agree not tension compresion stuff. Reaction wood I believe 
can be the result of many things, wind forces or wounding or gravity or 
whatever els that mite apply a force for suficient time to trigger a responce 
from the tree. Just not sure that helps in this instance.
    On Tuesday, 18 December 2018, 16:41:07 GMT, Paul Muir 
<PaulMuir@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Adaptive growth is not the same as reaction wood. I believe that the 
production of reaction wood is a response to gravity in a leaning stem, and a 
response to gravity/preferred (genetic) branch angle and also to light in a 
branch. Compression wood and tension wood are terms used to describe which 
side of a stem or branch gymnosperms and angiosperms produce reaction wood in 
relation to gravity. The purpose of reaction wood is to re-orientate a stem 
or limb. It seems we've started to confuse adaptive growth, in response to 
stress, with a very different mechanism. And the terms tension wood and 
compression wood don't help.

I'd expect David Lonsdale to jump in here to give the definitive response. :-)


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-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of BENJAMIN FUEST
Sent: 18 December 2018 16:24
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: {SPAM?}RE: Ben's Red Oak photo 1

 Thanks Paul. I assosiat reaction wood with tension and compresion forces, 
and clues such as butress growth are evident. In this instance the branches 
dont exit the tree where they used to, like the hands on a clock the've re 
orented themselves.
    On Tuesday, 18 December 2018, 16:07:58 GMT, Paul Muir 
<PaulMuir@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Hi Ben. That's the impact of the creation of reaction wood in modifying 
crown architecture over time. Great illustration!

Paul Muir
Principal Arboricultural Consultant
Treework Environmental Practice
Tree Experts Across the UK
Winner of Trees & Development Award 2018

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-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of BENJAMIN FUEST
Sent: 18 December 2018 16:01
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: {SPAM?}RE: Ben's Red Oak photo 1

 I'll try to explain. Two trees, an Ash and a Red Oak growning side by side. 
Sepreated by about fifteen feet. Both about 45 foot tall. The canopies did 
not have any pouras border, no overlap what so ever. I felled the Ash leaving 
the Oak. There it stood, one side fully developed domed canopy. The side that 
had been adjasent to the Ash was as flat as flat could be. As a consiquens it 
was a terrific image two dimensional of tree arcitecture. This was some 15 
plus years ago, ten years ago David LJ came round and went wow wee cool and 
took a Pic. David has been in touch to ask for another pic. Ive been watching 
this tree for 15 years and as mad as it sounds, the branches have for the 
want of a better explanation migrated around the stem, presumably to redres 
the imbalance. In one of the pictures posted by Jerry you can see the house 
in the back ground, this picture was taken from the side of the tree. All the 
branch work you see on the right of the stem as you look at it, was not 
there. It was on the tree, just not there. The remarkable thing is the change 
in direction has taken place at the point of attachment.
    On Tuesday, 18 December 2018, 15:41:54 GMT, Hare, Gareth 
<Gareth.Hare@xxxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk> wrote:  
 
 Piqued (unless your interest has never been higher of course...)



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Sent: 18 December 2018 15:39
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Subject: {SPAM?}RE: Ben's Red Oak photo 1

I do not follow and its peaked my interest- what weird occurrence is going on 
here?
Regards
Oisin

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> 
On Behalf Of Jerry Ross
Sent: 18 December 2018 15:23
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Ben's Red Oak photo 1

Ben's asked me to post these photos - he'll no doubt comment on them

On 18/12/2018 12:17, BENJAMIN FUEST (benjaminfuest758@xxxxxxxxxxx.com) wrote:




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