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Re: Tree hazard potential assessment study UK cases

Subject: Re: Tree hazard potential assessment study UK cases
From: Bill Anderson
Date: Jan 07 2019 08:43:25
Seems like a case of "don't just stand there; do something" Wayne. One of
those occasions when I like to quote the late Ronald Reagan who is reputed
to have regularly told his Officers to "don't just do something, stand
there!" Or so I believe.

It's a fairly safe bet that this kerfuffle has been instigated by a bunch
of elected representatives, and the Officers concerned have served a TPO
because they didn't know what else to do to keep their elected overseers
happy. I suspect that the people who actually manage this park; probably a
direct labour force (employed by the local authority(LA)) will carry on as
normal and pay little heed to the proper process of making an application
(under the TPO) to themselves. In the past an LA making such an application
(in England at least) would have to apply to the Secretary of State for
permission. You can imagine that most Secretaries of State would not deign
to turn up to inspect such things for some tin-pot Council, so nowadays
Councils would just grant themselves permission, so all in all this sounds
like a fairly pointless exercise. Another example of Councils wasting our

Happy New Year to you also.


On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 at 00:40, Wayne Tyson <> wrote:

Having gotten wind of a bit of a kerfuffle going on in Newtonabbey, I
decided to leap across the pond again on my trusty google-eyed steed
Rocinante, aka Google Street View (GSV) and see what the fuss was about.

The latest pix being of 2015 vintage, I could not confirm any particular
branches in "imminent danger" of falling, but I do not doubt the wisdom of
the public over which they hang. (Here in the USA, I frequently find that
everyday citizens have more sense than the experts.) There are some cases
of quite long branches constituting what could be over-extended moment-arms
for their attachment points to resist for much longer . . .

On my quick "stroll" along the avenues surrounding the Green, I did notice
some tree conditions that perhaps would benefit said public from a gander
by officialdom.

A rather tall tree with a co-dominant "branch" creating a textbook "weak
crotch," and showing possible evidence of ancient injury that might merit a
quick sounding for possible heartrot, looms over a children's play yard.

Nearby on the Green, a large tree is severely out of balance, clearly
leaning (not bending) in the direction of the bulk of its crown weight.
Some distance away, another, yet taller tree leans even more, virtually all
of its crown and trunk weight on one side, teetering in that
direction--somethin' like m'self on me cane.

Not far from that lies--no, still stands--a large old tree apparently under
considerable distress, ominously displaying twig dieback and appearing to
lack its full compliment of leaves--again, somethin' like m'self. That
makes me wonder about root system integrity . . . a subject we all would
like to avoid.

Elsewhere, a quite young tree, much too young to drink, teeters on its
tethers, obviously past the age when a good caning might straighten her or
him up, appears to be too incorrigible to make it past Purgatory. I be
thinkin' the lad or lassie may have suffered *too much* canin' and perhaps
a whack or two from a mowin' machine . . . Now if that ain't saplin' abuse,
I don't know what is!

But hey, what do I know--y' have t' *be* there don't y'know . . .

I lift a glass of the best ale I could find to the lot of ye.

Cheers, and Happy New Year!
Incapability Wayne

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