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Re: Old TPOs

Subject: Re: Old TPOs
From: Bill Anderson
Date: Feb 08 2019 14:58:09
Trees outlast buildings Alastair? Dwellings with a 30 year design life? I
think that needs a separate thread.....

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 13:36, Brewster, Ian <Ian.Brewster@xxxxxxx.co.uk>
wrote:

Alastair, I am talking in the extreme 3x3m front garden directly in front
of a bay window.
I personally would not want to impose a TPO on the householder for the
simple fact that it could lead to unnecessary correspondence, reports,
administrative waste of time etc.. where the TPO Officer should have got it
right during the review.
.


From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Alastair Durkin
Sent: 08 February 2019 13:15
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: Old TPOs

I disagree Ian, particularly as many trees now outlast the dwellings that
are built nearby due to their feeble design life. Even if in thirty years
time you need to remove the tree, it's still worth having it around for
that 30 years in many circumstances - granted not all.


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of Brewster, Ian
Sent: 08 February 2019 13:05
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: RE: Old TPOs

…though some like a young Blue Atlas Cedar growing in the front garden,
postage stamp size for example, although a great visual feature would
likely cause serious issues to below/above ground structures as it grows
into maturity and should not be included.
These need to be filtered out to avoid lengthy correspondence and reports.
So this task is not as straightforward as it needs both an aesthetic as
well as a practical head on.
.
…though some like a young Blue Atlas Cedar growing in the front garden,
postage stamp size for example, although a great visual feature would
likely cause serious issues to below/above ground structures as it grows
into maturity and should not be included.
These need to be filtered out to avoid lengthy correspondence and reports.
So this task is not as straightforward as it needs both an aesthetic as
well as a practical head on.
.


From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of John Booth
Sent: 08 February 2019 12:52
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

If access needs to be arranged then maybe the trees don’t feature highly
in the public domain then maybe TPO not appropriate!?

Regards,

J A Booth MBA, MSc, FRICS, FICF, FCIHort, RCArborA, CUEW, CEnv,
DipArb(RFS), FArborA, NDArb, LCGI(Hort) Chartered Surveyor, Chartered
Arboriculturist, Chartered Environmentalist & Certificated Expert Witness

On 8 Feb 2019, at 12:29, Howe, Ron <Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:
Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk%
3cmailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>>> wrote:

Mr Pinchin and I worked out, years ago, that even if you employed an
officer to review Orders, that it would take about 5 years. Why, because
you wouldn't expect one person to that work non stop ... it would drive a
person crazy. The best approach and, what you would end up with is lots of
old Orders revoked and new Orders with mainly frontage trees. The logistics
of getting into every property, notifying and arranging visits with owners
and so on would take an immense amount of time.

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX
NPS
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of John Booth
Sent: 08 February 2019 12:52
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

If access needs to be arranged then maybe the trees don’t feature highly
in the public domain then maybe TPO not appropriate!?

Regards,

J A Booth MBA, MSc, FRICS, FICF, FCIHort, RCArborA, CUEW, CEnv,
DipArb(RFS), FArborA, NDArb, LCGI(Hort) Chartered Surveyor, Chartered
Arboriculturist, Chartered Environmentalist & Certificated Expert Witness

On 8 Feb 2019, at 12:29, Howe, Ron <Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:
Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk%
3cmailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>>> wrote:

Mr Pinchin and I worked out, years ago, that even if you employed an
officer to review Orders, that it would take about 5 years. Why, because
you wouldn't expect one person to that work non stop ... it would drive a
person crazy. The best approach and, what you would end up with is lots of
old Orders revoked and new Orders with mainly frontage trees. The logistics
of getting into every property, notifying and arranging visits with owners
and so on would take an immense amount of time.

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX



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Alastair, I am talking in the extreme 3x3m front garden directly in front
of a bay window.
I personally would not want to impose a TPO on the householder for the
simple fact that it could lead to unnecessary correspondence, reports,
administrative waste of time etc.. where the TPO Officer should have got it
right during the review.
.


From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Alastair Durkin
Sent: 08 February 2019 13:15
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: Old TPOs

I disagree Ian, particularly as many trees now outlast the dwellings that
are built nearby due to their feeble design life. Even if in thirty years
time you need to remove the tree, it's still worth having it around for
that 30 years in many circumstances - granted not all.


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of Brewster, Ian
Sent: 08 February 2019 13:05
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: RE: Old TPOs

…though some like a young Blue Atlas Cedar growing in the front garden,
postage stamp size for example, although a great visual feature would
likely cause serious issues to below/above ground structures as it grows
into maturity and should not be included.
These need to be filtered out to avoid lengthy correspondence and reports.
So this task is not as straightforward as it needs both an aesthetic as
well as a practical head on.
.
…though some like a young Blue Atlas Cedar growing in the front garden,
postage stamp size for example, although a great visual feature would
likely cause serious issues to below/above ground structures as it grows
into maturity and should not be included.
These need to be filtered out to avoid lengthy correspondence and reports.
So this task is not as straightforward as it needs both an aesthetic as
well as a practical head on.
.


From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of John Booth
Sent: 08 February 2019 12:52
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

If access needs to be arranged then maybe the trees don’t feature highly
in the public domain then maybe TPO not appropriate!?

Regards,

J A Booth MBA, MSc, FRICS, FICF, FCIHort, RCArborA, CUEW, CEnv,
DipArb(RFS), FArborA, NDArb, LCGI(Hort) Chartered Surveyor, Chartered
Arboriculturist, Chartered Environmentalist & Certificated Expert Witness

On 8 Feb 2019, at 12:29, Howe, Ron <Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:
Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk%
3cmailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>>> wrote:

Mr Pinchin and I worked out, years ago, that even if you employed an
officer to review Orders, that it would take about 5 years. Why, because
you wouldn't expect one person to that work non stop ... it would drive a
person crazy. The best approach and, what you would end up with is lots of
old Orders revoked and new Orders with mainly frontage trees. The logistics
of getting into every property, notifying and arranging visits with owners
and so on would take an immense amount of time.

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX
NPS
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of John Booth
Sent: 08 February 2019 12:52
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

If access needs to be arranged then maybe the trees don’t feature highly
in the public domain then maybe TPO not appropriate!?

Regards,

J A Booth MBA, MSc, FRICS, FICF, FCIHort, RCArborA, CUEW, CEnv,
DipArb(RFS), FArborA, NDArb, LCGI(Hort) Chartered Surveyor, Chartered
Arboriculturist, Chartered Environmentalist & Certificated Expert Witness

On 8 Feb 2019, at 12:29, Howe, Ron <Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:
Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk%
3cmailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>>> wrote:

Mr Pinchin and I worked out, years ago, that even if you employed an
officer to review Orders, that it would take about 5 years. Why, because
you wouldn't expect one person to that work non stop ... it would drive a
person crazy. The best approach and, what you would end up with is lots of
old Orders revoked and new Orders with mainly frontage trees. The logistics
of getting into every property, notifying and arranging visits with owners
and so on would take an immense amount of time.

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX



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