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RE: Old TPOs

Subject: RE: Old TPOs
From: Jim Quaife
Date: Feb 08 2019 15:39:07
You say that Bill - I recall chatting to a foreman on a building site a 
couple of years ago and with weary resignation he told me they were plumbing 
all the houses with pipes and fittings with a 25-year design life! 
(Many years ago I read about a housing development designed on the "shoehorn" 
concept where the built-in wardrobes were not wide enough to coat hangers!) 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Bill Anderson
Sent: 08 February 2019 14:58
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

Trees outlast buildings Alastair? Dwellings with a 30 year design life? I 
think that needs a separate thread.....

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 13:36, Brewster, Ian <Ian.Brewster@xxxxxxx.co.uk>
wrote:

Alastair, I am talking in the extreme 3x3m front garden directly in 
front of a bay window.
I personally would not want to impose a TPO on the householder for the 
simple fact that it could lead to unnecessary correspondence, reports, 
administrative waste of time etc.. where the TPO Officer should have 
got it right during the review.
.


From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Alastair Durkin
Sent: 08 February 2019 13:15
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: Old TPOs

I disagree Ian, particularly as many trees now outlast the dwellings 
that are built nearby due to their feeble design life. Even if in 
thirty years time you need to remove the tree, it's still worth having 
it around for that 30 years in many circumstances - granted not all.


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of Brewster, Ian
Sent: 08 February 2019 13:05
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: RE: Old TPOs

…though some like a young Blue Atlas Cedar growing in the front 
garden, postage stamp size for example, although a great visual 
feature would likely cause serious issues to below/above ground 
structures as it grows into maturity and should not be included.
These need to be filtered out to avoid lengthy correspondence and reports.
So this task is not as straightforward as it needs both an aesthetic 
as well as a practical head on.
.
…though some like a young Blue Atlas Cedar growing in the front 
garden, postage stamp size for example, although a great visual 
feature would likely cause serious issues to below/above ground 
structures as it grows into maturity and should not be included.
These need to be filtered out to avoid lengthy correspondence and reports.
So this task is not as straightforward as it needs both an aesthetic 
as well as a practical head on.
.


From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of John Booth
Sent: 08 February 2019 12:52
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

If access needs to be arranged then maybe the trees don’t feature 
highly in the public domain then maybe TPO not appropriate!?

Regards,

J A Booth MBA, MSc, FRICS, FICF, FCIHort, RCArborA, CUEW, CEnv, 
DipArb(RFS), FArborA, NDArb, LCGI(Hort) Chartered Surveyor, Chartered 
Arboriculturist, Chartered Environmentalist & Certificated Expert 
Witness

On 8 Feb 2019, at 12:29, Howe, Ron <Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:
Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk%
3cmailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>>> wrote:

Mr Pinchin and I worked out, years ago, that even if you employed an
officer to review Orders, that it would take about 5 years. Why, 
because you wouldn't expect one person to that work non stop ... it 
would drive a person crazy. The best approach and, what you would end 
up with is lots of old Orders revoked and new Orders with mainly 
frontage trees. The logistics of getting into every property, 
notifying and arranging visits with owners and so on would take an immense 
amount of time.

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX
NPS
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of John Booth
Sent: 08 February 2019 12:52
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

If access needs to be arranged then maybe the trees don’t feature 
highly in the public domain then maybe TPO not appropriate!?

Regards,

J A Booth MBA, MSc, FRICS, FICF, FCIHort, RCArborA, CUEW, CEnv, 
DipArb(RFS), FArborA, NDArb, LCGI(Hort) Chartered Surveyor, Chartered 
Arboriculturist, Chartered Environmentalist & Certificated Expert 
Witness

On 8 Feb 2019, at 12:29, Howe, Ron <Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:
Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk%
3cmailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>>> wrote:

Mr Pinchin and I worked out, years ago, that even if you employed an
officer to review Orders, that it would take about 5 years. Why, 
because you wouldn't expect one person to that work non stop ... it 
would drive a person crazy. The best approach and, what you would end 
up with is lots of old Orders revoked and new Orders with mainly 
frontage trees. The logistics of getting into every property, 
notifying and arranging visits with owners and so on would take an immense 
amount of time.

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX



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Alastair, I am talking in the extreme 3x3m front garden directly in 
front of a bay window.
I personally would not want to impose a TPO on the householder for the 
simple fact that it could lead to unnecessary correspondence, reports, 
administrative waste of time etc.. where the TPO Officer should have 
got it right during the review.
.


From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Alastair Durkin
Sent: 08 February 2019 13:15
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: Old TPOs

I disagree Ian, particularly as many trees now outlast the dwellings 
that are built nearby due to their feeble design life. Even if in 
thirty years time you need to remove the tree, it's still worth having 
it around for that 30 years in many circumstances - granted not all.


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of Brewster, Ian
Sent: 08 February 2019 13:05
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: RE: Old TPOs

…though some like a young Blue Atlas Cedar growing in the front 
garden, postage stamp size for example, although a great visual 
feature would likely cause serious issues to below/above ground 
structures as it grows into maturity and should not be included.
These need to be filtered out to avoid lengthy correspondence and reports.
So this task is not as straightforward as it needs both an aesthetic 
as well as a practical head on.
.
…though some like a young Blue Atlas Cedar growing in the front 
garden, postage stamp size for example, although a great visual 
feature would likely cause serious issues to below/above ground 
structures as it grows into maturity and should not be included.
These need to be filtered out to avoid lengthy correspondence and reports.
So this task is not as straightforward as it needs both an aesthetic 
as well as a practical head on.
.


From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of John Booth
Sent: 08 February 2019 12:52
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

If access needs to be arranged then maybe the trees don’t feature 
highly in the public domain then maybe TPO not appropriate!?

Regards,

J A Booth MBA, MSc, FRICS, FICF, FCIHort, RCArborA, CUEW, CEnv, 
DipArb(RFS), FArborA, NDArb, LCGI(Hort) Chartered Surveyor, Chartered 
Arboriculturist, Chartered Environmentalist & Certificated Expert 
Witness

On 8 Feb 2019, at 12:29, Howe, Ron <Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:
Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk%
3cmailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>>> wrote:

Mr Pinchin and I worked out, years ago, that even if you employed an
officer to review Orders, that it would take about 5 years. Why, 
because you wouldn't expect one person to that work non stop ... it 
would drive a person crazy. The best approach and, what you would end 
up with is lots of old Orders revoked and new Orders with mainly 
frontage trees. The logistics of getting into every property, 
notifying and arranging visits with owners and so on would take an immense 
amount of time.

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX
NPS
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of John Booth
Sent: 08 February 2019 12:52
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

If access needs to be arranged then maybe the trees don’t feature 
highly in the public domain then maybe TPO not appropriate!?

Regards,

J A Booth MBA, MSc, FRICS, FICF, FCIHort, RCArborA, CUEW, CEnv, 
DipArb(RFS), FArborA, NDArb, LCGI(Hort) Chartered Surveyor, Chartered 
Arboriculturist, Chartered Environmentalist & Certificated Expert 
Witness

On 8 Feb 2019, at 12:29, Howe, Ron <Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:
Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk%
3cmailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>>> wrote:

Mr Pinchin and I worked out, years ago, that even if you employed an
officer to review Orders, that it would take about 5 years. Why, 
because you wouldn't expect one person to that work non stop ... it 
would drive a person crazy. The best approach and, what you would end 
up with is lots of old Orders revoked and new Orders with mainly 
frontage trees. The logistics of getting into every property, 
notifying and arranging visits with owners and so on would take an immense 
amount of time.

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX



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