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Re: Old TPOs

Subject: Re: Old TPOs
From: Bill Anderson
Date: Feb 08 2019 16:42:27
Well yes, I mean I suspect we've all seen relatively modern houses
demolished to make way for garden grabbing developments, but they're mainly
60s things, built when it was assumed we were all going to be driving hover
cars by the year 2000 (and that the oil would never run out). But current
building rates mean that houses are going to have to last a lot longer than
that, even if the plumbing won't last 20 years.... I was thinking more of
the trees outliving the houses angle. I had cause to visit a house from my
distant past and asked the owner what had happened to the Dawn Redwood we'd
planted there 35 years ago. "Oh I cut it down" he said," you should have
seen how the roots were pushing up the patio...." My point is that trees
planted in these situations don't necessarily live for that long, and if
they are still healthy when the 30 year old house is demolished, are they
in a position that gives them much hope of surviving the demolition?

Should we be bothering that sort of tree with a TPO? Not in my opinion. As
I say, we've got a long way from the thread title.

Bill.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 16:08, Alastair Durkin <ADurkin@xxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>
wrote:

Well, quite. I don't think many have 30 year design lives, but I don't
think you'll find many mass produced units with more than a 50 year design
life (So I was told by a well known mass builder).



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From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Bill Anderson
Sent: 08 February 2019 14:58
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

Trees outlast buildings Alastair? Dwellings with a 30 year design life? I
think that needs a separate thread.....

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 13:36, Brewster, Ian <Ian.Brewster@xxxxxxx.co.uk>
wrote:

Alastair, I am talking in the extreme 3x3m front garden directly in
front of a bay window.
I personally would not want to impose a TPO on the householder for the
simple fact that it could lead to unnecessary correspondence, reports,
administrative waste of time etc.. where the TPO Officer should have
got it right during the review.
.


From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Alastair Durkin
Sent: 08 February 2019 13:15
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: Old TPOs

I disagree Ian, particularly as many trees now outlast the dwellings
that are built nearby due to their feeble design life. Even if in
thirty years time you need to remove the tree, it's still worth having
it around for that 30 years in many circumstances - granted not all.


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of Brewster, Ian
Sent: 08 February 2019 13:05
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: RE: Old TPOs

…though some like a young Blue Atlas Cedar growing in the front
garden, postage stamp size for example, although a great visual
feature would likely cause serious issues to below/above ground
structures as it grows into maturity and should not be included.
These need to be filtered out to avoid lengthy correspondence and
reports.
So this task is not as straightforward as it needs both an aesthetic
as well as a practical head on.
.
…though some like a young Blue Atlas Cedar growing in the front
garden, postage stamp size for example, although a great visual
feature would likely cause serious issues to below/above ground
structures as it grows into maturity and should not be included.
These need to be filtered out to avoid lengthy correspondence and
reports.
So this task is not as straightforward as it needs both an aesthetic
as well as a practical head on.
.


From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of John Booth
Sent: 08 February 2019 12:52
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

If access needs to be arranged then maybe the trees don’t feature
highly in the public domain then maybe TPO not appropriate!?

Regards,

J A Booth MBA, MSc, FRICS, FICF, FCIHort, RCArborA, CUEW, CEnv,
DipArb(RFS), FArborA, NDArb, LCGI(Hort) Chartered Surveyor, Chartered
Arboriculturist, Chartered Environmentalist & Certificated Expert
Witness

On 8 Feb 2019, at 12:29, Howe, Ron <Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:
Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk%
3cmailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>>> wrote:

Mr Pinchin and I worked out, years ago, that even if you employed an
officer to review Orders, that it would take about 5 years. Why,
because you wouldn't expect one person to that work non stop ... it
would drive a person crazy. The best approach and, what you would end
up with is lots of old Orders revoked and new Orders with mainly
frontage trees. The logistics of getting into every property,
notifying and arranging visits with owners and so on would take an
immense amount of time.

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX
NPS
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of John Booth
Sent: 08 February 2019 12:52
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

If access needs to be arranged then maybe the trees don’t feature
highly in the public domain then maybe TPO not appropriate!?

Regards,

J A Booth MBA, MSc, FRICS, FICF, FCIHort, RCArborA, CUEW, CEnv,
DipArb(RFS), FArborA, NDArb, LCGI(Hort) Chartered Surveyor, Chartered
Arboriculturist, Chartered Environmentalist & Certificated Expert
Witness

On 8 Feb 2019, at 12:29, Howe, Ron <Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:
Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk%
3cmailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>>> wrote:

Mr Pinchin and I worked out, years ago, that even if you employed an
officer to review Orders, that it would take about 5 years. Why,
because you wouldn't expect one person to that work non stop ... it
would drive a person crazy. The best approach and, what you would end
up with is lots of old Orders revoked and new Orders with mainly
frontage trees. The logistics of getting into every property,
notifying and arranging visits with owners and so on would take an
immense amount of time.

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX



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Alastair, I am talking in the extreme 3x3m front garden directly in
front of a bay window.
I personally would not want to impose a TPO on the householder for the
simple fact that it could lead to unnecessary correspondence, reports,
administrative waste of time etc.. where the TPO Officer should have
got it right during the review.
.


From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Alastair Durkin
Sent: 08 February 2019 13:15
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: Old TPOs

I disagree Ian, particularly as many trees now outlast the dwellings
that are built nearby due to their feeble design life. Even if in
thirty years time you need to remove the tree, it's still worth having
it around for that 30 years in many circumstances - granted not all.


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of Brewster, Ian
Sent: 08 February 2019 13:05
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: RE: Old TPOs

…though some like a young Blue Atlas Cedar growing in the front
garden, postage stamp size for example, although a great visual
feature would likely cause serious issues to below/above ground
structures as it grows into maturity and should not be included.
These need to be filtered out to avoid lengthy correspondence and
reports.
So this task is not as straightforward as it needs both an aesthetic
as well as a practical head on.
.
…though some like a young Blue Atlas Cedar growing in the front
garden, postage stamp size for example, although a great visual
feature would likely cause serious issues to below/above ground
structures as it grows into maturity and should not be included.
These need to be filtered out to avoid lengthy correspondence and
reports.
So this task is not as straightforward as it needs both an aesthetic
as well as a practical head on.
.


From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of John Booth
Sent: 08 February 2019 12:52
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

If access needs to be arranged then maybe the trees don’t feature
highly in the public domain then maybe TPO not appropriate!?

Regards,

J A Booth MBA, MSc, FRICS, FICF, FCIHort, RCArborA, CUEW, CEnv,
DipArb(RFS), FArborA, NDArb, LCGI(Hort) Chartered Surveyor, Chartered
Arboriculturist, Chartered Environmentalist & Certificated Expert
Witness

On 8 Feb 2019, at 12:29, Howe, Ron <Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:
Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk%
3cmailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>>> wrote:

Mr Pinchin and I worked out, years ago, that even if you employed an
officer to review Orders, that it would take about 5 years. Why,
because you wouldn't expect one person to that work non stop ... it
would drive a person crazy. The best approach and, what you would end
up with is lots of old Orders revoked and new Orders with mainly
frontage trees. The logistics of getting into every property,
notifying and arranging visits with owners and so on would take an
immense amount of time.

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX
NPS
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info
<mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On Behalf Of John Booth
Sent: 08 February 2019 12:52
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info<mailto:
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>>
Subject: Re: Old TPOs

If access needs to be arranged then maybe the trees don’t feature
highly in the public domain then maybe TPO not appropriate!?

Regards,

J A Booth MBA, MSc, FRICS, FICF, FCIHort, RCArborA, CUEW, CEnv,
DipArb(RFS), FArborA, NDArb, LCGI(Hort) Chartered Surveyor, Chartered
Arboriculturist, Chartered Environmentalist & Certificated Expert
Witness

On 8 Feb 2019, at 12:29, Howe, Ron <Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:
Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk<mailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk%
3cmailto:Ron.Howe@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>>> wrote:

Mr Pinchin and I worked out, years ago, that even if you employed an
officer to review Orders, that it would take about 5 years. Why,
because you wouldn't expect one person to that work non stop ... it
would drive a person crazy. The best approach and, what you would end
up with is lots of old Orders revoked and new Orders with mainly
frontage trees. The logistics of getting into every property,
notifying and arranging visits with owners and so on would take an
immense amount of time.

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX



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