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Re: Sheffield Tree Felling Investigation

Subject: Re: Sheffield Tree Felling Investigation
From: Bill Anderson
Date: Jul 29 2019 21:32:34
Hi Wayne,
the green staining is what I'd call "damp;" it's the default situation in
the North of England....
As to the history of root damage? Again it's almost a default position for
my home town's street trees. Trees of this vintage will all have suffered
root damage to a greater or lesser degree. I've got no massive dispute with
the conclusions the city's Arbs have drawn. yes it all appears rather
drastic, but overall I don't think it's (the scheme) that bad.
As to the San Diego tree, golly she was unlucky. Personally I feel that a
tree like that, that must have suffered root damage on a regular basis,
well somebody appears to have been at best naïve, at worst negligent. But
I'm many thousands of miles away, looking at photographs that possibly
don't tell the whole story, so; "no comment" would be the sensible thing to
say.....
Good night.
Bill.


On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 16:54, Wayne Tyson <wt750mv@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

In having a look at a 2914 GSV

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3667959,-1.5067301,3a,75y,3.22h,60.36t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5tvCKA5gTE67G9u-urlNuQ!2e0!5s20141001T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
of the tree across from *Last Chapter Books,* I could not determine what
the greenish staining was running the length of the visible trunk.
Can anyone enlighten me?

I also noted a bit of broken curb/kerb and some patches in the
asphalt/macadam. Was there any history of root damage or removal that might
have been due to efforts to make the sidewalk (footpath?) more smooth?

From a later view farther down the street, I noted a distinct bend in the
trunk (in the general direction of the street). I wonder whether or not
this might have been due to the tardy removal of a co-dominant leader on
the opposite side, an imbalanced canopy, or? This species apparently
develops extra large crowns. Would regular pruning have prevented this from
happening? It appears that the tree may have been "topped" at some point if
my observation is correct that a number of secondary branching appears to
have developed rather high in the canopy.

I failed to note, from the photo angles available, whether or not there
were any signs of leaning or impending uprooting at any point. The tree
appears to be vertical up to the point of the bend.

I am adding a link to the fatal failure here in San Diego California, that
prompted me to re-embark upon this study. I will also include a GSV link
showing the tree not long before the failure.


https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-falling-tree-kills-person-in-car-2016jan31-story.html


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@32.7920211,-117.2385706,3a,37.5y,176.34h,99.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFPtbwRY9YkMKMcU6hC-_1Q!2e0!5s20140401T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 7:56 AM Wayne Tyson <wt750mv@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

Thanks, Bill. I'll have a look. But I'm getting confuseder and
confusider.
I admit I haven't read every document through and through because of the
difficulty of us Yanks being separated by a common language and pure
laziness/business, but would you or anyone else care to summarize (see
what
I mean?) the reasoning behind the whole thing?

Some time ago, I was able to find some of the trees in question, but
couldn't come to any kind of conclusive understanding.

Cheerios,
Wayne

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 2:21 AM Bill Anderson <
anderson.arb.original@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

Hi Wayne,
no it hasn't been finished and I doubt it ever will be. One of the
problems
the Council contractors didn't appreciate is that the 25 year contract
would mean that by the time year 20 came along, they would be removing
trees that they planted in year 1. In case that sounds wrong, I have to
point out that trees we planted this century are being removed already
(as
part of the scheme).
I suppose you could find some of the trees on Google Earth; the
FC investigation seems to have featured a lot of Google-ing, but
ascertaining which ones from across the pond might be difficult. If I
notice any obvious things with a good Google view I'll post a link.
Here's
one: https://goo.gl/maps/i8cA61LH7LgiKUmP9 This was the road that
featured
the dawn raid with elderly ladies being arrested. Scroll through the
historic images to get an idea of the state of things.
And here's something that you might or might not find useful:
https://sheffieldtreemap.com/
Bill.



On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 at 08:26, Wayne Tyson <wt750mv@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

Has this work been completed? Are all the trees that are going to be
removed now gone? If not, is there any way to determine the locations
of
those awaiting the axe and those that have been saved?

I'll look forward to Bill's analysis.

Wayne

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:37 AM Bill Anderson <
anderson.arb.original@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

No I hadn't and I hadn't seen it either Phillip, thanks.
In fact I wasn't sure it was really happening; from a brief perusal
there
are some reasonable criticisms in there but some seem a bit
unreasonable; I
thought the Council made a reasonable attempt to inform people what
was
going on and the couple of road-shows I visited seemed to be well
attended,
so that's an aspect of the report with which I'd disagree.
I'll read it properly later.
Bill.

On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 14:49, elsteadbysea@xxxxxxxxxxx.com <
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> wrote:

Bill may have already posted this link but if interested, its 42
pages.










https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/a
ttachment_data/file/818610/190705_Sheffield_Report.pdf
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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/818610/190705_Sheffield_Report.pdf




Kind regards

Phillip Ellis








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