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Re: RE: "Not controlled when printed."

Subject: Re: RE: "Not controlled when printed."
From: Julian Morris
Date: Oct 11 2019 14:29:35
Print a colour plan in blacka nd white and you ahve lost a lot of potentially 
valuabel info. MY 5837 reprot plans fiollow the recommendation in the BS that 
they state that they must be reproduced in colour. If not you lose the colour 
coding that is a requirement of the BS. That seems to bme an obvious example 
of a more general issue that documents cna lose information, quality, 
precision, scale or even layers when printed.

I wouldn't agree about 'Without prejudice' It allows parties to negotiate 
frankly without being quoted in subsequent legal proceedings, all in the 
interests of resolving disutes out of court. But yes, just sticvking it on 
the top of every letter in an attempt to stay immune from the consequences of 
ones own idiocy or threatening behaviour doesn't count.

Julian A. Morris - Professional Tree Services
jamtrees.co.uk  and  highhedgesscotland.com
0778 XXX XXXX - 0141 XXX XXXX


Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 at 3:12 PM
From: "Jim Quaife" <jq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk>
To: "UK Tree Care" <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: "Not controlled when printed."

I've no idea Bill.  If text can be extracted or modified or even blanked 
out, a phrase like that is inherently vulnerable. As you say, what is meant 
by "printing"? It looks a little like "without prejudice" which appears on 
all sorts of quasi-legal letters, but I am informed by those who know that 
it has no status in law.  There is a fundamental concept that you cannot 
excuse yourself from your legal responsibilities by saying so!

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Bill Anderson
Sent: 11 October 2019 14:01
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: "Not controlled when printed."

What ho,
while considering the use of language, the above phrase is stuck in the
footers of numerous reports that cross my desk. Not least by my much
younger co workers, who I suspect do it because Dave Dowson told em to.
However upon discussing the topic with Paul Elcoat he tells me there are
good reasons for it, although he then failed to give me any that, or at
least any that I can recall or seemed compelling.

As far as I can tell, pointing out that anybody can print out a PDF in full
or partially, and that there may or may not be subsequent modified versions
of the report is to state the bl**din obvious so it's therefore pointless
and just adds clutter to something that is probably sufficiently cluttered
anyway....

Anybody got any thoughts on the topic?

Bill.



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