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Re: RE: "Not controlled when printed."

Subject: Re: RE: "Not controlled when printed."
From: Bill Anderson
Date: Oct 11 2019 14:54:07
Couldn't agree more about plans, although the Architects usually put a
revision date and version on don't they? Some even state what the revision
was..... Otherwise I leave plans to draughtsmen (draughtspersons?) so not a
major worry for me. Some footers at the bottom of documents still seem to
smack of "ooh look how clever I am; I've managed to make WORD do all
this...."

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 at 15:29, Julian Morris <jamorris@xxxxx.com> wrote:

Print a colour plan in blacka nd white and you ahve lost a lot of
potentially valuabel info. MY 5837 reprot plans fiollow the recommendation
in the BS that they state that they must be reproduced in colour. If not
you lose the colour coding that is a requirement of the BS. That seems to
bme an obvious example of a more general issue that documents cna lose
information, quality, precision, scale or even layers when printed.

I wouldn't agree about 'Without prejudice' It allows parties to negotiate
frankly without being quoted in subsequent legal proceedings, all in the
interests of resolving disutes out of court. But yes, just sticvking it on
the top of every letter in an attempt to stay immune from the consequences
of ones own idiocy or threatening behaviour doesn't count.

Julian A. Morris - Professional Tree Services
jamtrees.co.uk  and  highhedgesscotland.com
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Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 at 3:12 PM
From: "Jim Quaife" <jq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk>
To: "UK Tree Care" <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: "Not controlled when printed."

I've no idea Bill.  If text can be extracted or modified or even blanked
out, a phrase like that is inherently vulnerable. As you say, what is meant
by "printing"? It looks a little like "without prejudice" which appears on
all sorts of quasi-legal letters, but I am informed by those who know that
it has no status in law.  There is a fundamental concept that you cannot
excuse yourself from your legal responsibilities by saying so!

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info [mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Bill Anderson
Sent: 11 October 2019 14:01
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: "Not controlled when printed."

What ho,
while considering the use of language, the above phrase is stuck in the
footers of numerous reports that cross my desk. Not least by my much
younger co workers, who I suspect do it because Dave Dowson told em to.
However upon discussing the topic with Paul Elcoat he tells me there are
good reasons for it, although he then failed to give me any that, or at
least any that I can recall or seemed compelling.

As far as I can tell, pointing out that anybody can print out a PDF in
full
or partially, and that there may or may not be subsequent modified
versions
of the report is to state the bl**din obvious so it's therefore pointless
and just adds clutter to something that is probably sufficiently
cluttered
anyway....

Anybody got any thoughts on the topic?

Bill.



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