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Re: Tree replacement (TPO)

Subject: Re: Tree replacement (TPO)
From: pwassenaer1022
Date: Oct 12 2019 13:20:49
Ian,How do you define good amenity value? Why does this tree not have/provide 
that?. If you are suggesting replanting, what would you replace it with and 
how will whatever you replace with provide said good amenity value? And 
really importantly, on what time frame? Whatever you propose to replace with 
will just be a twig in comparison to this tree and will hardly provide any 
good amenity for a long long time. Sounds from afar like someone just doesnt 
like this particular tree or species. After all this time growing this tree 
and everyone seeming to accept and like  that, is it right or fair that 
perhaps one persons preferences while they temporarily "own" the tree should 
negate all that history and tree amenity value and perhaps prevent the next " 
owner" of the tree from having that enjoyment? Ask the tree if it is a.good 
or bad tree. I think i know the answer....Cheers Philip Sent from my Samsung 
Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: "Ian 
Collins(collinsdesigns@xxxxxx.co.uk)" <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> Date: 
2019-10-12  8:33 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: UK Tree Care 
<uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> Subject: Re: Tree replacement (TPO)  Please 
discuss and advise.                                                           
                                                         90 foot still 
growing monteray pine in 47 foot wide back garden with TPO for amenity value. 
                ( Charles Mynors suggests that TPOs should not usually be 
used for trees in gardens ).                      The tree blights the garden 
and the gardens of neighbours and is not an amenity but a nuisance to those 
who have to live with it. 12 x trunk dia. suggests the roots will travel 48 
feet ie. into neighbours foundations. Because of the TPO are we liable?       
                                                                           
The LPA are very aggressive re TPOs.                                          
                                                      We have applied to 
fell, but wish to replace with additional mature trees of good amenity value. 
     Size, location and type in consultation with the tree officer.           
                                                           Is this reasonable 
and good aboricultural practice by us? We would welcome your advice and 
comments. Thanks.    On Friday, 11 October 2019, 09:38:08 BST, Mark 
<markhinsley@xxxxxxxxxxx.info> wrote:    The problem with tree issues these 
days is that people do not let total ignorance of the subject stand in the 
way of a strongly held opinion-----Original Message-----From: 
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> On 
Behalf Of elsteadbysea@btinternet.comSent: 10 October 2019 16:59To: UK Tree 
Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>Subject: RE: Tree replacement (TPO)This 
afternoon a councillor living in same road as tree has put it out on Facebook 
to possibly get more to object.Why she did not discus and view tree with 
owner is beyond believe. I am afraid we are going to see more of this from 
the green brigade who do not understand.Phillip-----Original 
Message-----From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> On Behalf Of Bill AndersonSent: 10 
October 2019 16:35To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>Subject: Re: 
Tree replacement (TPO)Fair point Alastair. But as it amounts to much the same 
thing, that is an appeal to PINS, and in Phillip's scenario the tree's 
damaging a wall, which is presumably not getting any better, then perhaps 
it's reasonable. No?Bill.On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 15:51, Alastair Durkin 
<ADurkin@xxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>wrote:> Well that might certainly something the 
tree owner might consider, but > whether a professional should be advising as 
such...open to debate > possibly.>> -----Original Message-----> From: 
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info > <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> On 
Behalf Of Bill Anderson> Sent: 10 October 2019 15:38> To: UK Tree Care 
<uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> Subject: Re: Tree replacement (TPO)>> Fell it, 
don't replant, and then if and when a Tree Replacement Notice > arrives, 
appeal against that. If somebody reasons that you should have > appealed the 
condition, it would be reasonable (but maybe slightly> devious) to argue that 
you didn't know you weren't going to be able to > replant until you tried to 
dig a hole.....> Bill.>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 14:26, Mark Hemming 
<tree.man@xxxx.co.uk> wrote:>> > Your appealing against the condition on the 
decision notice.> >> > > On 10 Oct 2019, at 14:16, Mark 
<markhinsley@xxxxxxxxxxx.info> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Philip> > >> > > I don't 
see why it should stop felling. The LPA are claiming that > > > the> > tree 
cannot be felled unless 'x' is planted in its place. Your > > appeal is that 
the requirement of 'x' is unnecessary or > > unreasonable. If the inspector 
decides in your favour then the > > replant is no longer a requirement and if 
the decision goes against > > you 'x' will have to be planted.> > >> > > 
Regards> > >> > >> > > Mark> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: 
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <> > uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> 
On Behalf Of > > elsteadbysea@xxxxxxxxxxx.com> > > Sent: 10 October 2019 
10:26> > > To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> > > Subject: RE: 
Tree replacement (TPO)> > >> > > Mark> > >> > > Thanks for reply.> > > Would 
appealing stop the process of felling tree?> > >> > > Phillip> > >> > > 
-----Original Message-----> > > From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <> > 
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> On Behalf Of Mark> > > Sent: 10 October 
2019 10:21> > > To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> > > Subject: 
RE: Tree replacement (TPO)> > >> > > Hi Philip> > >> > > You can appeal 
against any condition of a TPO Decision Notice. If > > > you> > look on the 
appeal forms there is a tick box for appealing against a > > condition.> > >> 
Mark> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: 
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <> > uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> 
On Behalf Of > > elsteadbysea@xxxxxxxxxxx.com> > > Sent: 10 October 2019 
10:13> > > To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> > > Subject: Tree 
replacement (TPO)> > >> > > Interested in the forums opinion on this one.> > 
If an application determination allows removal of tree but > > > 
stipulates> > replacement, can the applicant appeal against?> > >> > >> > >> 
A friend is applying to remove a large tree in his front garden > > > 
that is> > causing huge damage to wall and more to the point lifting> > >> > 
paving to the point that pedestrians have to walk into the road on > > > a> 
busy corner.> > >> > > The planners are under pressure from community group 
who want the > > > tree> > replaced.> > >> > >> > >> > > There is little room 
to replace as the tree stump even if ground > > > out> > will not allow in my 
opinion enough rooting area to dig pit.> > >> > > If anyone is interested I 
can send photographs.> > >> > > Kind regards> > >> > > Phillip Ellis> > >> > 
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