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Re: How does one inspect big hairy common limes, allowed to grow a secondary forest of basal sprouts?

Subject: Re: How does one inspect big hairy common limes, allowed to grow a secondary forest of basal sprouts?
From: Wayne Tyson
Date: Oct 30 2019 15:48:52
"Every day is a school day." Can't be said often enough!

Wayne

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 3:56 AM Hare, Gareth <Gareth.Hare@xxxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk>
wrote:

That's interesting. I thought there might be a simple genetic factor
associated with the production of epicormics on Lime (i.e. not a response,
they just produce epicormics as part of their form esp X Europaea) but
every day is a school day. Is that the same for Oak Julian and can you
point me to some research please? Looks like I've some reading to do.

Cheers

Gareth



-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info [mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Julian Morris
Sent: 30 October 2019 10:38
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: How does one inspect big hairy common limes, allowed to grow
a secondary forest of basal sprouts?

[Sigh] You always have to take things too far. And you're not funny.

Epicprmic growth in limes is usually a response to damage or stress. That
is itelf is a trigger for a more detailed look at the tree by a competent
inspector. Case closed.

Julian A. Morris - Professional Tree Services jamtrees.co.uk  and
highhedgesscotland.com
0778 XXX XXXX - 0141 XXX XXXX


Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 at 9:24 AM
From: "David Evans" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "UK Tree Care" <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: RE: How does one inspect big hairy common limes, allowed to
grow a secondary forest of basal sprouts?

<<I frequently get epicormics removed, for clients who have accepted
well-rounded advice, and epicormic removal can cost as little as £10 a
tree.>>

"Well-rounded advice"?

You've sketched out a text book example of hazard focused, risk-averse,
base-rate neglect, risk entrepreneurship.

I particularly enjoyed the QVC shopping channel sales of pitch of, "Why
not avoid forking out £250 000 for a claim when epicormic removal MAY save
a life at a cost AS LITTLE as £10 a tree*?"

How about loosening your clients purse strings bit more by making the
life that might be saved that of a child?  Even better, adding a possessive
pronoun could help maximise the fear.  'Your child'.

Here's the reality, to establish some all-important proportionality.

Compared to other everyday risks that we readily accept, the overall
risk to us and our property from tree failure is extremely low. The annual
risk of a death or serious injury is less than one in a million. Given the
number of trees we live with, and how many of us pass under them each and
every day, being killed or injured by a tree is a very rare event.

That's for all trees.  Let's try to establish a base rate for Lime with
epicormics and Kretzshmaria duesta.  Say, over the last 10 years.  How many
Limes were there with epicormic growth, which didn't display obvious
defects, and hosted Kretzschmaria that produced fruit bodies which could
only be seen if the epicormics were removed, and resulted in so much decay
it caused the tree to fail, and then killed or seriously injured someone?
We can already figure out the risk is much less than one in ten million.
Shall we just stop there?

Cheers

Acer Ventura

*Comes with a free repurposed Michael Parkinson Parker Pen we've got
left over from our 'Remove all Ivy - You can never be too safe' campaign.
Terms & Conditions Apply.
Costs may vary, and "…the prospects of reducing the risk from tree
failure below the current level are remote and comparable to finding a
microscopic needle in a gargantuan haystack."


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