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RE: CAVAT and the elephant and castle regeneration project

Subject: RE: CAVAT and the elephant and castle regeneration project
From: Jim Quaife
Date: Nov 08 2019 08:37:10
I have absolutely no disagreement about the environmental - essential 
environmental - value of trees Jerry, but the planning process as it is can 
control tree retention/loss.  Pre-emptive felling is done by some developers, 
but this use of CAVAT is hardly likely to improve that situation - in fact it 
will inevitably aggravate it. 
To what extent should an LPA claim money for private individuals' or 
commercial/institutional owners' property?  What next?
This really hasn't been thought through.
In short there are any number of reasons why CAVAT should not be used for 
privately-owned trees, and even if after due consideration the government 
decides that it should, there must be due process - not the opportunistic 
"morphing" of it into the system by a few LPAs.
At the very least it is unprofessional, but at worst it is an undemocratic 
impingement into private affairs.  
It most certainly won't make people think twice about removing a tree, they 
may just do it before making the planning application.
If we in the UK are serious about our environment then policies should follow 
the normal gestation process - not be a whim.
Rather pertinently I attended a seminar on Wednesday given at a London legal 
chambers, presented by eminent silks and a professor of EU law.  They have 
examined the government's proposed post-Brexit environmental policies, 
trumpeted by the ministers as "enshrining" environmental controls in law, 
when in fact many will be at the "discretion" of the SoS.
Wonderful!
Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Jerry Ross
Sent: 08 November 2019 08:14
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: CAVAT and the elephant and castle regeneration project

Not about the Elephant & Castle and not about raising cash, but JIm: you 
say "CAVAT is a valuation method for publicly-owned trees" - Indeed, 
that is what Chris Neilen set it up for. But is there any reason why it 
should not be used for privately owned trees?

Any cash value put on such unquantifiable things as amenity and 
ecological importance is going to be more or less arbitrary, but it can 
make people think twice about destroying a tree if one can say that it 
has been valued at, say, £20,000. Is there a reason why it should be 
invalid to use this system for a tree that's NOT in public ownership?


On 08/11/2019 07:44, Jim Quaife wrote:
CAVAT is a valuation method for publically-owned trees and whereas I 
understand its original purpose (and attended one of Chris' earlier 
presentations along with occasional updates and his last seminar), it seems 
now that there is a trend emerging for it to be used to generate cash.
The significant ecological and environmental value of trees is beyond 
dispute, but there is of course a potential conflict of interest in that an 
LPA could be seen to be agreeing to the loss of trees on cash return basis.
I don't have any indication from the few encounters I have had that there 
is any profound thinking behind this in terms of the potential 
repercussions and escalation.
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: 07 November 2019 15:49
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: CAVAT and the elephant and castle regeneration project

Good afternoon

I am doing some with with colleagues on natural capital and net 
environmental gain and I remembered the work done at the elephant and 
castle redevelopment using cavat to calculate the on and off site 
compensation.

Given all the current press on net gain and “Nat cap”, this scheme was 
really at the vanguard.

Does anyone have a report or more information?

Thank you

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