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RE: CAVAT and the elephant and castle regeneration project

Subject: RE: CAVAT and the elephant and castle regeneration project
From: Jim Quaife
Date: Nov 09 2019 18:27:38
There is a question of a potential conflict of interest - an LPA allowing the 
removal of private trees in exchange for money.  Whereas the unjustified loss 
of trees is to be avoided, where their loss is necessary (or at least 
consented!) it is fundamentally unfair to then charge the owner for that loss.
Replacement trees are necessarily an "act of faith" as quite obviously they 
will not replace the landscape and environmental worth of a mature tree, but 
that mature tree started out as a youngster, and if planted sensibly in terms 
of spatial considerations the new tree will become mature.
Capability Brown's tree landscapes were pretty pathetic when planted!
I always say that arbs and foresters have to think at least 20, if not 50 
years ahead and immediacy is not always an easy concept to apply.
CAVAT includes a replacement value, so if one or more replacement trees are 
to be planted why should the owner pay twice?
Having attended a seminar last week at which 5 prominent silks and a 
professor of EU law presented their dissections of the government's proposed 
environmental laws, whereas the politicians trumpet that the environmental 
provisions with be "enshrined" in law, the actuality is not quite the case as 
many will be at the discretion of the SoS.
So, yes I will always strive to retain trees, and over the years we have been 
party to some imaginative engineering, but using an accountancy valuation for 
publically-owned trees to put additional burdens upon private owners of them 
should not be an off-the-cuff matter of "why not?", but be carefully 
considered taking account of the consequences.
If a developer knows that tree removal will cost a fortune, I think we can 
reasonably expect an increase in pre-emptive tree removal.  
How would one go about evaluating the competing pressures of trees and 
social/affordable housing?
There are so many facets to this than a simple money-grab is unsophisticated 
and potentially counter-productive.  It needs very careful thought and at the 
risk of being accused of blasphemy, maybe CAVAT's use for publically owned 
trees should not be surreptitiously wafted into privately owned trees.   The 
principle is probably defensible, but the practice needs very very careful 
consideration, and it may just be that an alternative valuation method is 
needed?
Jim


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[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Matt Searle
Sent: 09 November 2019 17:40
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: CAVAT and the elephant and castle regeneration project

Absolutely use it for private trees. Harder is not visible from the public 
realm, but why not. Give it a go!

Matt Searle Bsc (Hons) MRTPI, MICFor
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-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> 
On Behalf Of Jerry Ross
Sent: 08 November 2019 08:14
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: CAVAT and the elephant and castle regeneration project

Not about the Elephant & Castle and not about raising cash, but JIm: you say 
"CAVAT is a valuation method for publicly-owned trees" - Indeed, that is what 
Chris Neilen set it up for. But is there any reason why it should not be used 
for privately owned trees?

Any cash value put on such unquantifiable things as amenity and ecological 
importance is going to be more or less arbitrary, but it can make people 
think twice about destroying a tree if one can say that it has been valued 
at, say, £20,000. Is there a reason why it should be invalid to use this 
system for a tree that's NOT in public ownership?


On 08/11/2019 07:44, Jim Quaife wrote:
CAVAT is a valuation method for publically-owned trees and whereas I 
understand its original purpose (and attended one of Chris' earlier 
presentations along with occasional updates and his last seminar), it seems 
now that there is a trend emerging for it to be used to generate cash.
The significant ecological and environmental value of trees is beyond 
dispute, but there is of course a potential conflict of interest in that an 
LPA could be seen to be agreeing to the loss of trees on cash return basis.
I don't have any indication from the few encounters I have had that there 
is any profound thinking behind this in terms of the potential 
repercussions and escalation.
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
[mailto:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: 07 November 2019 15:49
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: CAVAT and the elephant and castle regeneration project

Good afternoon

I am doing some with with colleagues on natural capital and net 
environmental gain and I remembered the work done at the elephant and 
castle redevelopment using cavat to calculate the on and off site 
compensation.

Given all the current press on net gain and “Nat cap”, this scheme was 
really at the vanguard.

Does anyone have a report or more information?

Thank you

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