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RE: Blanket district TPO & Carbon

Subject: RE: Blanket district TPO & Carbon
From: elsteadbysea@xxxxxxxxxxx.com
Date: Nov 26 2019 13:45:39
As carbon has been mentioned I thought this link may be useful 
https://www.woodlandcarboncode.org.uk/

Phillip

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> 
On Behalf Of Alastair Durkin
Sent: 26 November 2019 13:30
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: Blanket district TPO

I think there is a distinction to be drawn between carbon capture, and carbo 
storage. Youngish trees may capture carbon at a greater rate, but larger 
older trees will store carbon for longer, e.g. old growth forest.

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> 
On Behalf Of Bill Anderson
Sent: 26 November 2019 12:53
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Blanket district TPO

All this stuff leaves me confused: My immediate thought is that surely big 
trees are better at carbon capture than young ones, but when you think about 
it what we need to capture a lot of carbon is young trees putting on a lot of 
increment, and the FC carbon tables (which take into account the carbon 
output of harvesting/thinning/etc) seem to suggest that carbon capture drops 
off a cliff after year 30. This seems to fit in with the headlines of a 
couple of years ago that said European Forests had reached carbon-max. And 
some recent stuff from the US of A that said something similar. I take this 
as an argument for managing the woodlands we've got, perhaps with an 
objective of keeping the average age of the stock at around 25. Coppice 
management (with standards) would clearly fit right in with that objective.

Strangely the FC website refers to the carbon lookup tables but doesn't seem 
to publish them any more.



On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 12:21, Brynley Andrews <brynley.andrews@xxxxxx.com>
wrote:

Hi Jerry
Funny how blanket conservation can be turned around to mean the opposite.

My ‘big blanket’ idea is entirely about conservation & preservation - 
because we are in an environmental emergency.

Thanks

Bryn


On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 12:14, Jerry Ross <trees@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk> wrote:

Also, keeping trees young means felling old ones with all the 
associated business of using and wearing out chain saws so new ones 
have to be manufactured, imported, dispatched to dealers so they can 
be collected by contractors, all by vehicles that also have to be 
manufactured and fuelled, not to mention the manufacture, 
maintenance, fuelling and eventual disposal and renewal of chippers, 
trucks and whatever else. Oh, and let's not forget carting off and 
disposing of arisings.  And, bless our well meaning cotton socks, 
carting young trees about the country (let alone importing them) and 
getting them into the ground.
With CO2, particulates and other crap being put into the environment 
at every stage, it's probably best to stay at home and let Gaia take 
care of herself.



On 26/11/2019 11:45, Brynley Andrews wrote:
Hi Bill
Interesting point but there was an a research paper that said the
opposite-
ie big old trees sequestering more C.

Obviously big trees store the most.

So, in either case blanket conservation is essential to help 
balance
the
C
budget - in addition to the multiple other services we enjoy.

Thanks

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 11:07, Bill Anderson <
anderson.arb.original@xxxxxx.com>
wrote:

If we want to keep trees sequestering carbon at a rapid rate, 
then we
need
to keep the average age of the tree stock down, probably at 
around 20
to 25
years. (That's what the FC carbon lookup tables suggest.) I'm not 
sure
how
a blanket TPO would achieve this, more likely the opposite.




On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 15:48, Harrison, Sean < 
Sean.Harrison@xxxxxxxxxxx.gov.uk> wrote:

That's simply not true.
Mr E. Cowarriors

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On Behalf Of elsteadbysea@xxxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: 25 November 2019 15:41
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Blanket district TPO

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I am beginning to notice that eco warriors are now starting to 
stop
Mrs
Bloggs from removing trees even if condition dictates removal.


Phillip



-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Jim Quaife
Sent: 25 November 2019 13:58
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: Blanket district TPO

So you want to protect all trees because of climate change in 
your
LPA
area, and somehow or other you manage to do so.
Mrs Bloggs wants to remove her tree and although there is 
nothing
actually
wrong with it, there are no grounds of refusal in current terms.
"No Mrs Bloggs, you cannot remove your tree because of climate
change."

Really?

I cannot imagine that there is anyone who contributes to this 
forum
who
would want to see trees removed unnecessarily.  All sorts of 
things
start
off with good intentions, but a sense of perspective is vital, 
but
even
more importantly, a dispassionate regard for consequences.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info [mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Liam McKarry
Sent: 25 November 2019 13:35
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: Blanket district TPO

Oddly enough this idea has been spoken about here

Regards

Liam McKarry
Arboricultural Officer (Planning) Colchester Borough Council 
Rowan House
33 Sheepen Road
Colchester
CO3 3WG
01206 XXXXXX

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Brynley Andrews
Sent: 25 November 2019 13:23
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Blanket district TPO

Hi Chris
As you will know Many councils have declared climate & sometimes 
eco emergency.
An ‘emergency’ generally demands drastic & immediate action.
The the threat is the loss of carbon capture / storage & eco/env
values.
I see us arbs to be at the sharp end in this regard 👍

On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 13:10, "HUDSON, Chris" <
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

wrote:

What drastic emergency action would constitute all the 
Borough's
trees
to be under threat  both theoretically or realistically?


Chris Hudson | Cheshire East Council Principal Forestry and 
Arboricultural Officer Environmental Planning Town Hall, 
Macclesfield, Cheshire, SK10 1EA
Tel: 01625 XXXXXX | Mob: 07764 XXXXXX 
www.cheshireeast.gov.uk<http://www.cheshireeast.gov.uk/>

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