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Re: Windshield/Drive-by | Speed Limit Bankruptcy

Subject: Re: Windshield/Drive-by | Speed Limit Bankruptcy
From: Wayne Tyson
Date: Dec 03 2019 19:33:36
All good points, Simon.

Wayne

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:11 AM Simon Jones <simon@xxxxxxxxx.co.uk> wrote:

In the past I have done drive-by tree risk assessments on roads, but not
using cars, using mountain bikes. So properly, “ride-by” assessments. This
was significantly quicker than walking would have been, and significantly
more thorough than driving.



Probably uneconomic on long stretches of Tasmanian highway, but for urban
and suburban roads, I found it effective. Compared to a car it is slower,
but we found we missed less, it didn’t need a driver, so reduced labour
costs, it was easier to pull over when something about a tree suggested it
would be prudent to look closer, and with trees in wide verges, we could
specify a 360° cycle round of the trunk. I remember we found more than one
tree with defects or fungal fruiting bodies on the other side of the trunk,
not visible from the road.



I haven’t seen any mention of bicycles in this interesting thread: is this
because it’s been tried and discounted for good reasons I’m unaware of, or
because we’ve all just been thinking cars? I’m inclined to think that in
some circumstances, there would be an economic case for ride-by
assessments. After all, how many miles a day can a fit man on a bicycle
cover? Twenty? More?


Kind regards,

Simon

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3700 miles x 2 sides = 7400 frontage miles. If 5 miles a day on average
could be done by an inspector on foot, that works out as 1480 days, and
based on 250 working days a year that's a full time job for 6 inspectors a
year. c. £200k. Not quite bankruptcy. Especially compared with the cost of
one negligence fatality a year.



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Subject: Re: Windshield/Drive-by | Speed Limit



To have a look at the back of every tree that could fall onto the

highway could bankrupt the state government.



Really?



OK, you have an unusual situation of low population density and long

tree lined roads but even so your conclusion that walk by rather than

drive by tree assessment could "bankrupt the Government" seems like a

bit of a stretch, to me.



Hey, just thought of something.



What about Google Earth "Fly By" assessments?







On 2019-11-25 20:05, David Evans wrote:

<<It seems to me to be like scanning one side of a two sided piece

of paper and believing that you know the whole story.>>



Hi David



There's no belief that they know the whole story.  The design is

that one side of paper will be scanned at speed.



The context is Tasmania's Depart of State Growth has about 3700

miles of roads and millions of trees.  Trees provide many benefits

that they need, and the overall risk from tree failure is extremely

low.  Given this, to have a look at the back of every tree that

could fall onto the highway is not reasonable, proportionate, or

reasonably practicable tree risk-benefit management.  To do so might

bankrupt the state government, or mean they couldn't provide many

other important services.  The design is that they're trying to find

'obvious defects'.  To try and find defects that aren't obvious by

looking at the back of each tree would be grossly disproportionate

to the likely reduction in overall risk.



Cheers



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