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RE: 2 rope access prompting?

Subject: RE: 2 rope access prompting?
From: Rupert Baker
Date: Jan 06 2020 13:29:16
Quite a good prog, that Wisting, Bill - though the title sounds a bit like 
some arcane rural practice - 'Ooh Ah, Jim boy, ave ee been wisting down the 
coombe again?'
Is there a kind of auto- that allows a rope to run through it? Most 
rope-access ones have a finite length - the longest appears to be about 20m - 
too short for our uses.
I am really not looking forward to all this 2-rope access stuff for myself; 
the possibilities of confusing which is which; the extra weight of ropes and 
friction devices/prussiks; the extra time needed to place the systems into 
the tree whether by throw-line or ladder etc all fill me with disquiet, 
though I'll probably get used to it in time; 
and from a consulting/client point of view, it is inevitably going to end up 
with higher costs for tree work by contractors using such systems, to absorb 
the extra equipment and time costs; it will also make pukka tree surgery 
firms who obey the rules less cost effective than ones who ignore them...
Mind you it'll be jam for the equipment suppliers and the trainers ; )
Atb
Rupert

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info On Behalf Of Bill Anderson
Sent: 06 January 2020 10:19
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: 2 rope access prompting?

From outside of the box; Paul, has anybody considered these auto-belay 
devices that climbing walls use nowadays? (
https://headrushtech.com/about/technology.html)
This occurred to me while a watching a Scandi-noir drama on the TV over the 
weekend, wherein someone being lowered down a well had not only their access 
rope but an auto-belay attached to the back of the harness.
Bill.


On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 08:12, Paul Smith <paul@xxxxxx.org.uk> wrote:

Apologies 'again' David.

Some details of the accidents to which the HSE refer were available on 
the previous weblink to the AA website. The HSE have, apparently, 
prepared more detailed information for a recent AFAG meeting and this 
should come to our attention shortly when we will publish on the website.

Regards


Paul Smith
Technical Officer &
Accreditation Schemes Manager (Contractors)






















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-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of dlj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: 02 January 2020 14:31
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: 2 rope access prompting?

Hi again Paul

It says ... "The HSE has consistently argued that, despite the good 
practice guidance that we have been working with for the last 15 
years, the number of accidents in our sector remains unacceptably high 
– indeed, it states that the arboricultural sector has the highest 
accident rate per capita of all UK industries. Clearly this is 
something we would all wish to change."

Can you point me to these specific accident statistics over the 15 
years mentioned please?

David

On 2020-01-02 09:45, Paul Smith wrote:
Maybe, but many systems are being considered / developed / reviewed 
on another forum.


Paul Smith
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Arboricultural Association
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-----Original Message-----
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<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> On Behalf Of Sean Davies
Sent: 02 January 2020 09:43
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: 2 rope access prompting?

Are we just talking an auto belay? or something more complex?

Sean Davies

Arboreal officer

Neighbourhood Services

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-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> On Behalf Of Paul Smith
Sent: 02 January 2020 09:35
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: DMARC violation -RE: 2 rope access prompting?

Hi David, the latter, i.e. specific accidents, see 
https://hes32-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http
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3a%2f%2fwww.trees.org.uk%2fHelp%2dAdvice%2fPublic%2fHSE%2dDecision%2
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h=4be54ad6eb25a559550d8aaef741acb68187dbb5-411613f6d57e6723e2010bc24
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Regards

Paul Smith
Technical Officer &
Accreditation Schemes Manager (Contractors)




















Registered Office
The Malthouse, Stroud Green, Standish, Stonehouse, Gloucestershire,
GL10 3DL Arboricultural Association Ltd Company No. 4070377, Charity 
Number 1083845 Arboricultural Association Trading Ltd Company No.
05180170

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-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> On Behalf Of 
dlj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: 31 December 2019 13:17
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: 2 rope access prompting?

Just saw a posting about this.......

"This is an interesting time in the world of Arboriculture. With the 
HSE now insistent on the use of two-rope working, industry 
professionals are working hard to devise systems to maintain 
compliance."

Does anybody know if this is just a development out of idealogical 
principle, or has it been provoked by specific accidents or broader 
accident statistics ?

David




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