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RE: TPO over a TPO

Subject: RE: TPO over a TPO
From: Alastair Durkin
Date: Feb 11 2020 07:57:02
Bill, a couple of years ago we stopped consulting on any TPO applications or 
s211 that was for management works other than removal for non-safety reasons 
(we still consult the PC). It saves everybody's time in the long run, 
including the neighbour who may have commented. 

Alastair


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> 
On Behalf Of Bill Anderson
Sent: 10 February 2020 18:20
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: TPO over a TPO

It frequently seems to me that Council websites are deliberately set up to 
discourage people from looking for planning applications/TPO/S211 Notices.
And it frequently seems that discouraging people from making comments is a 
prime objective, which I have to say having seen some completely ludicrous 
comments about planning applications (borderline libellous sometimes), then 
discouraging them is entirely understandable....
Bill.

On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 16:30, Jim Quaife <jq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk> wrote:

Jon,
Don't you have any work to do?

One London Borough told a solicitor in a property search that there 
were no TPOs. The purchasers moved in and decided to remove one of 7 
trees and to prune two others.  The (reputable) tree surgeon just 
checked with the Council to find that there individual TPOs on all the 
trees, made the application (which was entirely reasonable) and it was 
refused!
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info [mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Jon Heuch
Sent: 10 February 2020 15:46
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: TPO over a TPO

From a professional or member of public point of view, the doubling up 
of TPOs can turn a difficult situation into a nightmare. What's wrong with 
it?



i)                    Depending on the council, finding out whether a tree
is protected or not, can be difficult. UKTC has been here before & I 
haven't updated my numbers but of 33 London Boroughs only 13 have 
interactive maps which MAY be of use in determining whether a tree is 
protected or not.
Remember some councils have a map showing TPOs & then hope people to 
trawl through a long list and maps of conservation areas to see if a 
tree is within a conservation area.

ii)                   14 of the 33 London Boroughs have no online mapping
resource for protected trees, although at least two - Brent & Croydon 
- are working on it. So it's over to emailing, or phoning.

iii)                 The phone is a risky and timely business: "Is there a
TPO?". Yes. What trees are protected?......pause. Uncertainty. 
Possibly some sort of statement describing what is protected. This may 
be useful; it may not be. If the tree doesn't have a postcode or 
address, the conversation may be a complete waste of time.

iv)                 Some have a pdf list of TPOs which may partially assist
if the TPO is titled 15 Acacia Avenue and your property is known as 15 
Acacia Avenue, but for larger TPOs the list is, well, just potentially 
useless.

v)                   Or you could go to Basildon and Ashford, Kent, where
you really wonder if they ever thought through what life might be like 
for a member of the public. Basildon's website provides a list : "This 
list contains TPO's from 2002 onwards". Ashford Borough Council's 
website does a much better job, but just for TPOs made after 1999. So 
you might find that a tree is protected, but you can't be sure if it 
is not protected as in both cases an older TPO may apply.

vi)                 So, the doubling up of TPOs? If the council provide
clear information on any request, it might be OK....but I've been 
through an entire planning process (including appearing at the council 
chamber) and the presence of a second TPO only came to light well 
downstream of planning permission being granted. Luckily the very 
large sum spent on architects, engineers & every body else wasn't 
affected by the additional TPO but it would have been nice if the 
council officers had at least referred to it in their reports. It's 
not just the public that can be caught out by such complexities.



Jon






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